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Some links to establish notability for this game:

  • Kaehler, Arne. "Svitlana's Smart Moves - Kasparov's immortal". one of the greatest chess games ever played is the one between Garry Kasparov and Veselin Topalov from 1999 in Wijk aan Zee
  • Alberto Colodro, Carlos. "Throwback Thursday: Kasparov's immortal". Garry Kasparov defeated Veselin Topalov in what is now known as his 'immortal game'
  • "The Best Chess Games Of All Time". Chess.com. Kasparov has a long list of brilliancies to his credit, but this game is his virtually undisputed masterpiece.
  • https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/chess/five-of-the-greatest-chess-matches-ever-played-6431506/
  • The Mammoth Book of the World's Greatest Chess Games, 2010 edition
  • So, Wesley; Adams, Michael; Burgess, Graham; Nunn, John; Emms, John. The Mammoth Book of the World's Greatest Chess Games, 2021 edition. Robinson Publishing.
  • Kasparov himself has made notes for this game twice. Once set of notes I can not find the original attribution for so will not use (they appear to be a sloppy translation from another language); the other is in his 2014 book “Garry Kasparov on Garry Kasparov: Part III”
  • "Chess by Lubomir Kavalek". The Washington Post. 1999-02-01. has been noted by Kasparov himself as being the first analysis that found 28. Ra7!! instead of the 28. Qc3 played. Note that it takes Stockfish going nearly 30 ply deep before deciding Ra7 is better, so it’s amazing Lubomir Kavalek found this move back in 1999.
  • While YouTube isn’t a reliable source, the popular streamer and strong grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura is a reliable source to establish notability; in a video devoted to just this one game (so hardly a passing mention), he calls this game “the greatest game he (Kasparov) ever played” over at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwXTGzVp34k
  • http://www.ajschess.com/lifemasteraj/kasp-topa1.html isn’t itself a reliable source to establish notability, but it lists a number of reliable sources which mention this game, so deserves a mention here. I will list those sources now:
  • Yasser Seirawan discusses this game in depth: "Inside Chess." Vol. # 12, Issue # 4; April 1999. Beginning on page 37. I can’t verify that particular paper issue of that magazine has the game, but I can verify that Seirawan annotated this game (with a lot of help from other sources) for the September 2003 online version of “Inside Chess”. While the link is paywalled, it is available archived here: Seirawan, Yasser (September 2003). "Yasser Annotates: Kasparov-Topalov Wijk aan Zee 1999 Hoogovens Tournament Round 4" (PDF). Inside Chess. Archived from the original on 2004-03-30. Born of necessity the combination is nonetheless stunning.
  • Arnold Denker discussed this game in Chess Life: "Chess Life." May, 1999. Page # 40. {#352} I have verified, based on Chess Life’s 1999 index, that page 352 (i.e. in the May 1999 issue) has a Kasparov-Topalov game annotated: https://ia803403.us.archive.org/34/items/sim_chess-life_1999_54_index/sim_chess-life_1999_54_index.pdf
  • Larry Christiansen discusses this game in his book Storming the Barricades Amazon’s limited preview includes the index, which verifies a Kasparov vs. Topalov game is discussed on page 169 of the book; the opening index verifies it’s a Pirc defense, the defense Topalov chose in this game. While I don’t have a copy of this book, here’s a proper citation to cement notability for this article: Christiansen, Larry (2022). Storming the Barricades. Gambit Publications.
  • Andrew Soltis considers it the fifth greatest 20th century game played in his book The 100 Best Chess Games of the 20th Century, Ranked While previews of this book are not readily available, I can verify with a Google search that this book annotates this game starting on page 46.

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Some notes:

  • The game includes chess diagrams. The images and/or graphics in those diagrams are not public domain.
  • The HTML form of this web page is generated using copyrighted (albeit open source) software, so it might not be public domain. It’s only the source form of the article (or the text without formatting) which can be considered public domain.
  • The references include brief fair use quotations from copyrighted sources. These quotations are not public domain (using them falls under fair use, but the source material is still copyrighted).
  • The game includes annotations and analysis from various copyrighted sources. While it’s general consensus that the score of a chess game is public domain, the annotations and analysis might not be public domain. Using them in a Wikipedia article looks to fall under fair use, especially since Stockfish makes the same general observations about the game (which limits how much annotations and analysis can be considered a creative work). I am using information derived from copyrighted annotations and analysis because of Wikipedia policy, i.e. WP:CHESSENGINE.

Samboy (talk) 04:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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