Talk:Karl Schädler

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Review: March 29, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Karl Schädler appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1848 Karl Schädler performed the first surgery with chloroform anaesthesia in Liechtenstein?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Schädler.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Karl Schädler/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starting the review, will update it as I go through. Article looks pretty good, if a bit on the short side given that the external links add a lot more material that could be used (in German, unfortunately).

Criteria

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(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

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(c) it contains no original research; and

(d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.

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Review

Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	A few typos and clunky wordings here and there but I can fix these. Some sentences are more confusing, like He supported Pan-Germanism under Austrian leadership, due to the formation of a German state without them would have isolated Liechtenstein and threatened its independence. Does that mean "without Austria" or "without Liechtenstein"? Some other passages are not clear, like what the goals of the revolution were (as Aloys II appears to have stayed in power), how the three-person committee managed to maintain order in Liechtenstein, or later what his position of District Administrator entailed (assuming it is an executive position, it could also be added to the infobox). (Later comment: Much better, but could still be a bit more detailed, especially as these were important roles that are somewhat glossed over.) (Later later comment: Should be good now!)	Pass
(b) (MoS)	The lead is well-written and follows the MoS~~, but could be a bit bigger to match the article size~~. Rest of the article appears good. (Later comment: Please look at words to watch such as "leading" or "important" and try to rephrase them in more precise terms, and it should be good.) (Later later comment: "Leading" is only used to say he, well, led the movement, so it's fine, no other "words to watch" left.)	Pass

Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	Referencing is good, but looking at the sources shows a few discrepancies. The dates of his high school/university studies don't match. The source also gives Schädler as part of two other factions in the Frankfurt Assembly, rather than the one mentioned in the article. (Later comment: The source mentions a more vague Linken Zentrum rather than the Württemberger Hof, could be better to have a precise source?) (Later later comment: Fixed)	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	Most information comes from a single encyclopedia, which isn't ideal but not a fail condition either. Every non-lead paragraph ends with a citation, with the exception of the sentence about the plaque (which, being next to its picture, isn't really likely to be challenged).	Pass
(c) (original research)	No original research, again, everything appears to be sourced.	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	Earwig shows nothing, with the only matches being the German titles of the works mentioned. However, looking at a translation of the main source used, many paragraphs appear to be close paraphrasing (the #Early life and #Medical career sections, and also much of #Political career). (Later comment: Still too many close paraphrasing issues, paragraphs should be rewritten rather than having word replaced by synonyms.) (Later later comment: Close paraphrasing nearly gone except for the third paragraph of "Political career") (Later later comment: Appears to be good.)	Pass

Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	Skims a bit on the medical career (what was the role of "state physicist" in the principality?). Also doesn't actually go into what Schädler did as President of the Landtag, besides a vague "passing laws". Schädler's full name is mentioned nowhere in the article, despite being present on his doctoral degree. Also, it is said twice that he suffered from an "illness" from which he died, but this isn't elaborated on further. (Later later comment: There's likely more to say, but the state physicist career is still a bit discussed and I won't fail over this)	Pass
(b) (focused)	Doesn't go into unnecessary details beyond the political context needed.	Pass

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
Doesn't take sides in 19th-century Liechtenstein politics, all political claims are well-attributed.	Pass

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Notes	Result
No edit war or disagreement between editors to be seen.	Pass

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	First two images are contemporary works now in the public domain, third is the uploader's own photograph tagged as CC BY-SA 4.0.	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	~~Infobox image doesn't have a caption, it could be good to mention when it was taken. Third image cuts into the references section, is there a better way to place it?~~ (Later comment: Turns out there isn't really a better way to place it. The first infobox image was changed, but the metadata wasn't updated (despite it being a clearly separate image taken at a later period) and there is still no good information for a caption.) (Later later comment: The image might not be of him, the country's legislature has been contacted for further verification. It could be better to remove the image until you can get an answer on this.) (Final comment: As the image is used by the Landtäg, it can be safely assumed to be him.)	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Pass	Please fix all the close paraphrasing issues ASAP and rewrite the sections you translated from the encyclopedia in your own words. I would ask for the opinion of a German speaker to see if the sources mentioned in #External links can add further information to the article. (Later later comment: Much better, a tiny bit of close paraphrasing left to rephrase and it should pass. Coverage isn't perfect everywhere, but still broad enough for GA.) (Final comment: Looks good, asking for a quick second opinion to be sure as it is my first review, but I think it should pass)

Discussion

Updated the review in light of recent improvements. The close paraphrasing remains the biggest issue to be fixed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 00:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should be fixed now, @Chaotic Enby. TheBritinator (talk) 11:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 02:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article history

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... that in 1848 Karl Schädler preformed the first chloroform anaesthesia surgery in Liechtenstein? Source: https://historisches-lexikon.li/Schädler,_Karl_(1804–1872)
- ALT1: ... that due to the rise of pan-Germanism, Karl Schädler considered that Liechtenstein should be annexed into Austria? Source: https://historisches-lexikon.li/Schädler,_Karl_(1804–1872)
- ALT2: ... that Karl Schädler completed most of the work on creating a Liechtenstein constitution, despite having no legal training? Source: https://historisches-lexikon.li/Schädler,_Karl_(1804–1872)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gerboise Verte

Moved to mainspace by TheBritinator (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

TheBritinator (talk) 02:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Long enough and nice GA. All paragraphs are referenced. Interesting hook and it is referenced. There's no copyvio or close paraphrasing. You need to provide a QPQ for this hook to be accepted. --2x2leax (talk) 06:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will complete one soon. TheBritinator (talk) 15:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2x2leax, QPQ is now linked. Please check again when you can. TheBritinator (talk) 18:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheBritinator Well, you are participating in that nomination for QPQ, so I

accept it. --2x2leax (talk) 06:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.

[2] Footnotes must be used for in-line citations.

[3] This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.

[4] Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.

[5] Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.

[6] The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.

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