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Inclusion of Congressman Dean Phillips in the Background Section

I believe in the Background Section that this part of it is misleading to people when it says, "In October 2023, Harris refused to speculate about what would happen if Biden, the incumbent president and expected Democratic nominee for the 2024 presidential election, were to drop out of the race. Joe Biden's age, which at the time was 80, was being used as a "battering ram" by Republicans" because it is a value judgment only to mention Republicans were part of the "battering ram." This part of the background section fails to mention that incumbent Democratic Congressman Dean Phillips, with a national audience running for President, was also making very similar claims to Republicans in October 2023 about his concerns with Biden's age to serve a second term. The way this section currently refers to concerns about Biden's age in 2023 appears to make it a purely partisan issue, but it was a bipartisan matter because a sitting member of Congress in the Democratic Party made these same kinds of statements publicly. It falsely portrays a narrative that Biden's age concerns were not discussed by any incumbent Democrats holding national office back in 2023, and only Republicans at the time were pushing this discussion about it. Phillips's bipartisan talk about the issue of Biden's age was a lonely campaign in Congress in 2023. Still, primarily due to raising these concerns, he got over 500,000 votes and four pledged delegates as per the results of the 2024 Democratic primaries to the Democratic National Convention in Chicago primarily due to his rhetoric on the campaign trail across the country about concerns of Biden's age making it difficult to be able to finish a second term in office. The hundreds of thousands of Democratic Party voters that supported Phillips later on in the primaries, I believe, shows that there was weight to his words as being part of the "battering ram" with Republicans at that time when focusing on Biden's age concerns back in October 2023.

I propose after where it says in the Background Section, "Joe Biden's age, which at the time was 80, was being used as a "battering ram" by Republicans" we should add to the sentence, "and as a focal point of Democratic U.S. Representative Dean Phillips's challenge of Biden in the 2024 Democratic Party Presidential Primaries."^[1]^[2]

This will require a consensus to add to the Background Section. I would like to hear what people's opinions are about including this in the article. Please respond if you agree or disagree with adding what I proposed. Thank you. Smobes (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion seems fine—but it would make sense to clarify how "lonely" Phillips was in challenging Biden's fitness, as virtually all Democratic politicians coalesced behind Biden, brushed off the issue of his age, and denied that he was suffering from a mental decline. Ekpyros (talk) 23:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rethinking this after the election, maybe it is DUE. I'm seeing talk about how there should have been a primary, and Nancy Pelosi's comments that Biden should have dropped out sooner. I imagine parts of the article can be rewritten and maybe Dean Phillips fits. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I have made another use of the edit extended-protected template to request to include Dean Phillips to the background section. Smobes (talk) 17:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ John, Arit; McKend, Eva; Pellish, Aaron (27 October 2023). "House Democrat Dean Phillips launches primary challenge against President Biden". CNN. Retrieved 27 October 2024.
^ Thompson, Alex (January 20, 2024). "Dean Phillips' lonely campaign cuts deeper at Biden's age". Axios. Retrieved October 27, 2024.

Merger discussion

Request received to merge articles: Planned presidential transition of Kamala Harris into Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign; dated: November 2024. Proposer's Rationale: Spinoff articles are made when they're so unwieldy that we can't centralize the information. Nothing suggests that the page for this planned transition, which will not be happening, is going to contain this much information. Someone, probably in good faith, jumped the gun when making a page. Discuss a merge here. Bremps... 18:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I would think this would be a speedy merge. No such transition will actually take place. BD2412 T 18:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me! I was surprised to see how meaty the similar articles on Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney are, the only two other candidates with articles on their never-realized transition plans. In both cases, the vast majority of edits were made prior to their respective losses—and if for some unforeseeable reason, the section on Harris's blooms, it can always be spun off again. Ekpyros (talk) 18:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, do the merge. No opposition here. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Varro (talk) 22:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 23:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Manasbose (talk) 07:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - yes, speedy merge.ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 04:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. To page creator Yeagvr, I hope this is a lesson in the dangers of WP:CRYSTAL. Sdkb ^talk 03:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sdkb It was based on Planned presidential transition of Hillary Clinton. –yeagvr · ✉ 08:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE I call for deletion of this article as it describes an event that never has, or ever will occur!Subman758 (talk) 20:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per rationale of the OP and others above. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nominator and Ekpyros. The page creator did this in good faith, but in hindsight it was a mistake to create this article (except maybe as a draft or in their sandbox, which I would suggest for similar cases in future). Looks like a WP:SNOWCLOSE to me. 188.176.168.141 (talk) 12:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. No reason to have a separate page for something that never will exist, better put in the campaign article as an extension of the campaign planning. JParksT2023 (talk) 19:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It was something that was planned but never happened. It makes sense to fit it in as part of the article of Harris's campaign. Merge it in. Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2024

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There appears to be a CONSENSUS on the talk page for this article that it is DUE to add in the Background Section that Congressman Dean Phillips expressed concerns similar to Republicans about Biden's age concerns back in October 2023 when launching his primary run against the incumbent president.

After where it says in the Background Section, "Joe Biden's age, which at the time was 80, was being used as a "battering ram" by Republicans" we should add to the sentence, "and as a focal point of Democratic U.S. Representative Dean Phillips's lonely challenge of Biden in the 2024 Democratic Party Presidential Primaries."^[1]^[2] Smobes (talk) 01:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ John, Arit; McKend, Eva; Pellish, Aaron (October 27, 2023). "House Democrat Dean Phillips launches primary challenge against President Biden". CNN. Retrieved November 10, 2024.
^ Thompson, Alex (January 20, 2024). "Dean Phillips' lonely campaign cuts deeper at Biden's age". Axios. Retrieved November 10, 2024.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 November 2024

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In the section titled "Music" the first sentence begins with "Harris is used Beyoncé's song". This should be changed to "Harris used Beyoncé's song". Jlunbeck (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333 (correct me if I'm wrong) 20:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] John, Arit; McKend, Eva; Pellish, Aaron (27 October 2023). "House Democrat Dean Phillips launches primary challenge against President Biden". CNN. Retrieved 27 October 2024.

[2] Thompson, Alex (January 20, 2024). "Dean Phillips' lonely campaign cuts deeper at Biden's age". Axios. Retrieved October 27, 2024.

[3] John, Arit; McKend, Eva; Pellish, Aaron (October 27, 2023). "House Democrat Dean Phillips launches primary challenge against President Biden". CNN. Retrieved November 10, 2024.

[4] Thompson, Alex (January 20, 2024). "Dean Phillips' lonely campaign cuts deeper at Biden's age". Axios. Retrieved November 10, 2024.

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