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Photography Credit

Why is there a random insert to credit the person who took her photo for Allure Magazine? Seems like shameless advertising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.118.147 (talk) 21:30, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Filmography?

Filmography includes all TV and movie work, shouldn't it be on two separate lists? 190.45.131.7 (talk) 02:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Years active?

What does it mean by this? SignorSimon (talk) 19:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It's the year she started acting - the year she retired from acting, which Kaley hasn't yet so it's to say "199? - present". --Crash Underride 20:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah right, thanks for the clarification. SignorSimon (talk) 16:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Italian?

Aside from the name, is there really a source that she's of Italian or part Italian descent? I couldn't find anything except our Wikis, so I'm removing it for now. JackO'Lantern 21:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I've heard her verify it herself on T.V. Michael 01:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Where on TV? WHat did she say specifically? Mad Jack 01:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
It was a few years ago, and there was an advertisement/trailer for a movie she was in in which she became a mob boss, even though she was a teenager...It was pretty weird. She mentioned, though, that she's half Italian. Michael 01:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

She also said the samething to Jay Leno on his show when talking about that film.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Greydaze (talk • contribs) 10:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

She was born to Gary Carmine Cuoco of Italian heritage and Layne Ann Wingate. Google it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.126.240.2 (talk) 14:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Google searches are not reliable sources. A citation from a reliable source is required in order to add something like that to the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Then cite me something that states she is fully American ? As long as I dont see citation of that I believe labelling her American is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.126.240.2 (talk) 13:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC) And while we are at it might as well delete here from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_American_actors — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.126.240.2 (talk) 13:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources that say she's American and, as the editor wishing to add content, the burden of evidence is on you to provide proof that she's Italian-American, not the other way around. You won't be able to do that because the field you want changed is "nationality" and "Italian-American" is not a nationality, it's an ethnicity. --AussieLegend (talk) 14:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Just a little thing

In the early life section it says she was homeschooled on the set. Can anyone clarify what set etc? It's not made clear in the article. londonsista | Prod 22:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

That means, that like most chid actors she had a tutor come to the set and teach her. --Crash Underride 19:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Real name?

It says that her birth name was Kaley Christine Cuoco in the box on the right, but in the main article it says Kelly Christine Cuoco. Which is right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.236.242.126 (talk) 00:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

25,000 hits to 1 on Google is pretty convincing that her name is Kaley, not Kelly. David Spector 00:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Future projects

Are there any references for them...or should I remove them?! Nisior (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Survival of the fittest

Is there any source on this? I can't find any mention of the production anywhere, let alone Kuoco's role in it. Further, how is a decision made on what is included in the list? I noticed something else (Nightmare room) removed recently? dpwoodford (talk) 15:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Surname pronounciation

Coo-oh-co? Shoo-oh-co? Shwo-co? Or what?--MartinUK (talk) 20:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It's pronounced Coo-Cow, as I read in the Charmed magazine & DVD fortnightly release. (Can't remember which issue sorry.) --149.254.224.14 (talk) 16:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry people, it's pronounced ku-oh-co. I reference her appearance on The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn. He pronounced her last name as "ku-oh-co" and said "am I saying it right?" to which she responded by saying "ku-oh-co ya that's it, i'm surprized". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.44.112 (talk) 00:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

That's how I've heard it said, "ku-oh-ko," which sounds pretty much identical to "kwo-ko," but the page currently has it as /koʊkoʊ/, which would be just "ko-ko." To match the way I (and the anonymous commenter above) have heard it, it would be /ˈkeɪliː ˈkuoʊkoʊ/. -LesPaul75talk 18:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

- /ku'oʊkoʊ/ would make it three syllables, but it's plainly heard as two (/'kwoʊkoʊ/) in each interview I've heard (I've listened to three of them). Just like marihuana is /ˌmærɪ'wɑːnə/. Gassalasca (talk) 17:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

IPA: I've changed /ˈkeɪliː/ to /ˈkeɪli/ (which is the right transcription). Mountleek (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I am Italian so I can tell you her name is pronounced "ku-oh-ko" ... coo-cow is horribly wrong ... As a side note Cuoco is how in Italy you would call cooks (chefs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.126.240.2 (talk) 14:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

To be sure, both the three-syllable /ku-o-ko/ and the two-syllable /kwo-ko/ are Italian ways to pronounce it, just as some say /mi-'e-le/ and others /'mje-le/ for "miele" (honey). (yeah, unsigned IP, aug 5, 2012) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.149.197.66 (talk) 22:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

8 Simple Rules

Does the information about 8 Simple Rules really belong on this article? After all, there is no summary section for any other projects she worked on, so I think this section should be removed. DragonStargazer (talk) 22:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Disagree. It's one of her best-known roles so far. David Spector 00:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Eureka credit

I've seen the Eureka episode "Here Come The Suns" three times, there is no character named Leighton and played by Kaley Cuoco in it. Likely a wrong entry on imdb... -- Imladros (talk) 23:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Ring 3D credit

Yesterday i added the credit for the Ring 3D i found on her IMDB page with a reference that proved it was not fake. Why was it removed?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.65.182 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Twitter footnote

Really, is twitter.com/home a trusted reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.220.51.22 (talk) 07:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Her Tattoo

She's got a tattoo on her lower back. It means "faith" in Japanese. (Source: October 17, 2011 airing of Conan (TV series), also http://www.japanese-symbols.org/japanese-symbol-for-faith). 217.162.186.253 (talk) 19:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Nope. According to the source 'Faith' has two kanjii, of which she has only the first- unless the second is lower down and hidden by clothing in shots of her back.

As it stands, it means letter, but that is my research using Google translate, and therefore not useful. She doesn't know it means. http://teamcoco.com/video/kaley-cuoco-reveals-embarrassing-tattoo-secret Grant McKenna (talk) 01:23, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

It translates to "ignorant white girl". Tattoo artists love to do this to people who don't know foreign languages, but get tattoos with words they don't know. TodKarlson (talk) 08:12, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Tennis

So she was a nationally ranked tennis player at 4 or 5 years old? Is that even possible? If so are there references? (apart from the brief one linked to) --120.148.212.210 (talk) 23:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Kaley *was* nationally ranked but at a later age. For instance, she was no. 112 in the national ranking for girls' 14 singles in November 2000: [1] The source is simply wrong when it states that she stopped playing tennis in 1992. I have read elsewhere that she gave up tennis when 8 simple rules took off. That would be in 2002, not 1992. --KaptenKrater (talk) 10:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Picture

I don't think it's possible to find a more horrible pic of her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.178.154.179 (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

She does seem rather naked in that cropped picture... 91.152.118.192 (talk) 07:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Representation?

The article does not mention her representation such as talent agent or publicity agent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Researcher2012 (talk • contribs) 15:25, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Dating trivia

Sorry folks, but gossip about who is dating whom in Hollywood is strictly trivia and not, in general, appropriate for a Wikipedia biography. Now if the subject becomes engaged or married or pregnant or otherwise notably involved with a significant other, that is grounds for inclusion, but just because they are seen out in public together is really stretching the idea of encyclopedic biographical information. Elizium23 (talk) 20:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Concur. Additionally, these specific reports are unconfirmed and speculative. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 July 2013

On July 9, 2013 Cuoco showed a 30 second clip on The Ellen DeGeneres Show of the flash mob lip-synching and dancing to Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe", on the set of The Big Bang Theory . Cuoco said that a four minute version exists on YouTube -- 24.78.245.184 (talk) 21:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Question: It does exist I've seen it multiple times but I don't see where it should be in the article since it seems like a trivial thing ultimately. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
I just checked and it is actually already in the article --Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Surname

Reports are that she is using his last name since the wedding, in addition to Cuoco. Can that be verified and the article updated if true? 71.171.89.90 (talk) 00:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Which reports indicate she is doing so? Either way, she will remain known as "Cuoco", so she shouldn't really be listed under her husband's last name. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 01:06, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Both her verified Facebook Http://Facebook.com/KaleyCuoco and verified twitter: https://twitter.com/KaleyCuoco show the name: Kaley Cuoco Sweeting, therefore her name should be changed to reflect such. Shawnnicholsonca (talk) 15:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

It isn't her common name, though that could be added in the "other name(s)" field in infobox. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

In the latest episode of The Big Bang Theory (Thursday 30/01/14) she is credited as Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting. Since she is now using this as her professional name (and has now been credited as such), should the name at the start of the article not now be changed to reflect this? Ixistant (talk) 19:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

On the other hand, she has been credited as Kaley Cuoco for 147 of 148 episodes. It would be inaccurate to say she was Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting for these episodes. --AussieLegend (✉) 20:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
On the other other hand, we follow the rules of Wikipedia, and according to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) her name should be her Stage Name. That is currently Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting. Look at the example of Eva Longoria's article: she was known as Eva Longoria after her wedding as that was her stage name at the time, however when she started being credited as Eva Longoria-Parker the article was adjusted accordingly. It is her real name and it is her stage name, and should therefore be the name of the article. Ixistant (talk) 20:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Ixistant, do you have a proper source of her being credited as Cuoco-Sweeting in the latest The Big Bang Theory episode? Nymf (talk) 21:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
While she was credited as "Cuoco-Sweeting" in the most recent Big Bang Theory episode, she is much more commonly known as simply "Cuoco". Per WP:COMMONNAME, the article title should stay as "Cuoco". However, it's perfectly fine to have "Cuoco-Sweeting" listed under "other names" in infobox (which I added myself). XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
[2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. Those were found on the front page of google while searching for "Kaley Cuoco Sweeting". You can also check her twitter account, where she retweeted a picture of the changed name uploaded by her husband. Ixistant (talk) 01:20, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Gossip sources are not at all reliable, and neither are blogs. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 01:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
The Us Magazine article should be reliable, and if her name was truly Cuoco-Sweeting in the BBT credits, then I would think a name change to the article would be appropriate.--Asher196 (talk) 04:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
On second thought, after reading WP:COMMONNAME, the article name should probably remain as is, but the lead should include her married name.--Asher196 (talk) 05:03, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Seems fair to have it in lead. Us Magazine is a gossip magazine and therefore definitely not reliable. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 05:14, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Just as further confirmation of her now being billed as Cuoco-Sweeting, IMDB show "(as Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting)" on her credits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.184.122.114 (talk) 23:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

IMDb is not a reliable source XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I moved the page with reservations regarding COMMON; this is murky territory because the non-hyphenated name is still the better known version a mere few weeks in, but KC-S is a decade younger and lacking the massive name recognition that Courtney Cox had at the time of her marriage to David Arquette. It seems reasonable to believe that the hyphenated name will be the better known version within a year barring any radical change in circumstance. (And for clarity, the current circumstance include consistent usage of the hyphenated name in on-screen credits as well as in all recent interviews.) UPDATE: Looks like the move was reverted in the minute I was writing this; I'm not going to contest this further. jameslucas (" " / +) 18:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Given the uncertainties of this case, I think a better approach would be to open a move request. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:16, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Reference to Boyfriends

The second graph in the Career section contains the following unsourced sentence:

She had several boyfriends throughout the series and used her feminine wiles to exert significant control over the boys she encountered.

Should that not be removed? 98.156.87.188 (talk) 05:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Good call. Though you needn't have waited for consensus. It was an obvious violation of BLP rules, as well as several other guidelines. nagualdesign (talk) 05:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if I would call it an obvious violation of BLP since it really depends on how you read that statement as to weather it refers to her or not. I do agree with its removal as it is a pointless statement to put in this article but I took the statement as meaning that the sentence was referring to Bridget Hennessy, her character on the show, and not to her personal life. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 14:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox picture

We should settle on an image to use and stop changing back and forth.

So which is it, the one on the left or right?--Asher196 (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Left one because
  • it is more recent
  • other users have stated the one on the right makes her look "naked".
  • there is no microphone in front of her face
XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 02:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
There is only one year between the two images and we don't choose images based on dates. We choose them based on suitability. The "naked" argument is probably just wishful thinking by pre-pubescent fanboys. She's clearly wearing clothing and you wouldn't expect somebody at Comic-con with a microphone in their face to be naked. Despite the microphone, that image shows more of her face, which is really what we want since the purpose of the image is to identify the subject. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Suggestion: here is a 2012 photo of her from the article (though a microphone is in front of her face). I'd say that would be better as a profile than the 2008 one.
    • XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
    When it comes to infobox pictures, it doesn't matter how recent it is, as long as the person hasn't drastically changed (in this case she hasn't), it depends on what picture has the better headshot. The one from 2008 does, and from 2012 but I know there have been many arguments in the past over the microphone over the face, I'd say just stick to what it is now with the 2008 one as the infobox pic. Lady Lotus • talk 16:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
    Definitely not a drastic change per se, but her general hairstyle as of late is more similar to the 2009 and 2012 pictures. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
    Vote to keep 2008 photo, per AussieLegend: it's simply a better facial shot. Avoid 2012 photo at all costs: it's incredibly unflattering, and barely recognisable.
    On a separate-but-related issue, no-one has ever responded to my comment on the Penny talk page, made over 2 years ago, that the photo there does not show her in character. Can't anybody come up with a free image that shows her as Penny?
    GrindtXX (talk) 19:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
    We could use the same image used for the Penny article. It has a very clear view of her face and her hair in that closely resembles her general real-life hairdo. In terms of how pictures can be "unflattering", I'd say 2008 is less "flattering" than 2009. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 22:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
    The problem with using the Penny picture is that free images of Kaley exist. The Penny picture is borderline copyright infringement, although it does have a WP:FUR. When free images exist, it's hard to rationalize using copyrighted material.--Asher196 (talk) 22:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
    Sorry I was slow to join this discussion (and I made edits to the infobox image). FWIW, I think the 2008 shot is the best representative headshot. As for the 'naked' thing, grow up! Regards, nagualdesign (talk) 22:31, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

    Hello,

    I have recently on two occasions tried to add a link to her TV.com and had it removed for some strange reason I don't understand. Is there someone that can explain to me, in plain English, why this ;link was removed? It there a bias against TV.com? In some circles IMDb isn't always considered accurate.

    More to my point would be the removal of the link without an understandable explanation. I am not a regular contributor and not familiar with the hundreds of pages of rules and regulations that go with this site. It's why I don't get an account here: it's too confusing to figure the simplest thing out. All I wanted to do was make the site a teeny bit better. You have a rule about not biting newbies, about being friendly and explaining things to people that need help. That would have been nice.

    I copy/pasted a link from another person page on this site. I looked through your TV.com templates and there is not one for a person, only for shows, series and anthologies. As I copied it from another person page, I am using your own formatting so that can't be the problem.

    The courtesy of an answer would be appreciated.

    Karl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.32.118 (talk) 06:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

    We have more stringent requirements for links and sources in biographies of living persons than we do for other articles. To make things easier for editors, we have a number of templates for linking to tv.com. These are {{Tv.com show}}, {{Tv.com movie}}, {{Tv.com episode}}, {{Tv.com anthology}} and {{Tv.com episodes}}. We also had {{tv.com person}} but, at a discussion, the community decided that it should be deleted as the tv.com content did not meet the requirements that we expect of external links in biographies of living persons. Tv.com specifically meets the the criteria for links to be avoided and the community does not wish to encourage linking to sites that should not be linked to. Tv.com is not regarded to be a reliable source but in biographies, it's not even good enough as an external link. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

    Thank you, I appreciate the information. Karl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.32.118 (talk) 02:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

    Realtor

    Re recent edit-warring over the use of the word "realtor". I am assuming good faith on the part of Mudomatic, who appears to be a new editor. He/she has posted the following justification on his/her own talk page: I am copying here for wider dissemination:

    "Hi all, the word "Realtor" is a registered trademark of the National Association of Realtors (NAR). Therefore it is appropriately rendered as capitalized with the following symbol: ®. If a person is not a member of NAR, then they are simply real estate sales people. :)"

    I have no personal views on the matter, but I note that on Wikipedia "Realtor" redirects to Real estate broker, which might arguably be a better term to use. GrindtXX (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

    Reqesting protection

    I've noticed lots of unconstructive edits (including the "Sweeting" addition) lately, some of which might have even been disruptive. There have also been unsourced additions. Protecting this page should cut down such occurrences. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 06:31, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

    The article already has "Pending changes" protection enabled. IP edits don't go live until they're accepted by a reviewer and if they're rejected by a reviewer (which has happened several times in the past weeks) or reverted by a non-reviewer they're never live. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

    Residence

    Does Kaley live in Los Angeles or San Fernando Valley? The infobox lists them both for some reason, and I'm not sure which is correct..... XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

    Hometown and residence can be different. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
    Oh OK, I just haven't really seen "home town" listed in infoboxes much if at all, and had a feeling it was a way of referring to "residence". XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 07:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

    Breast augmentation

    Re this edit on Cuoco's admission that she has had breast augmentation, which was promptly reverted by Wikipeterproject on grounds of being non-encyclopedic. I disagree. Cuoco herself calls it "the best decision I ever made": she clearly means it had a significant effect on her career trajectory. This may not be very politically correct, and may not be how Wikipeterproject (or I) would like to think a modern meritocratic society should work, but it's apparently been her experience. It seems to me to be a great deal more "encyclopedic", and relevant to a biographical summary, than the fact that she once co-organized a flash mob, for example. Comments? GrindtXX (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

    Whether it is encyclopedic or not, I say it's too trivial to include. Besides, people often use the term "best decision(s) ever made" rather loosely. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
    It is, in my opinion, not encyclopaedic because of its triviality. There are many notable people who have had various forms of cosmetic treatment. For some, the treatments or procedures contribute to the very notability of the individual and therefore are no longer trivial (take Pamela Anderson as an example, perhaps). I would argue that's not the case here. If you can find enough secondary sources talking specifically about this in the context of the actor's notability (as opposed to gossip articles), it should be reinstated. As to other non-encyclopedic trivia in the article - be bold and remove it! Wikipeterproject (talk) 22:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

    Sweeting

    Should Sweeting be added to the top of the info box or not? In the Big Bang Theory, she is credited as Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

    In short, no- it is not what she is most commonly known as. This was also discussed in Talk:Kaley Cuoco/Archive 1. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
    Yes, but according to that discussion, there was no reliable source listing her by her hyphenated name, only gossip magazines, IMDb and such. But would not the official CBS site be considered reliable enough to show that she is now using and being credited as Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting?    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 00:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    It would be reliable, and she is credited as such, but Template:Infobox person says to use the name of the article. Since she isn't as commonly known as "Cuoco-Sweeting", the article title should stay as it is now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    OK, that is true. But since she is now using the hyphenated name both professionally and personally, should not the article name be changed? (Just what is the policy when a person changes his/her name? WP:BLP does not address this.)    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 01:08, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    No, it shouldn't be renamed for now as per WP:Recentism and WP:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names; she's only used it for slightly over a year. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    The relevant guideline is WP:SPNC, which says to pay more attention to what her name is in sources after the name change. It may be time for someone to file a proper move request on this. Calidum T|C 01:21, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    Not yet; most sources I've seen these days not affiliated with CBS or TBBT simply call her "Cuoco". Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:25, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    I think it is time for a change, so I will make the request.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 01:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

    If I Didn't Have You (Bernadette's Song)

    If I Didn't Have You (Bernadette's Song), should it be included in the article? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 10:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

    Not really; it was only from one episode of The Big Bang Theory. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

    Requested move 20 April 2015

    The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

    The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


    Kaley Cuoco → Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting – Under WP:SPNC, BLP articles should be updated when a name is changed and is expected to last. The subject did not merely adopt a new stage name, but changed to a hyphenated name due to marriage. She is listed under the hyphenated name at the official CBS website, as well as in the on-screen credits of The Big Bang Theory. Her name change is as official as it will ever be.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 01:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

    • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME (which is a policy) and WP:Recentism; the vast majority of sources (including the most reliable ones) refer to her as simply "Kaley Cuoco". Recent examples include (but are not limited to) MTV, Variety, Entertainment Weekly, and ABC News. This might be worth revisiting later on, but we can't say for sure yet whether she'll keep the "Sweeting" name forever. She is still most widely known as "Cuoco" despite her marriage, and she's only held the "Sweeting" name for one year of her professional career of over 20 years. Additionally, most notable sources that use "Sweeting" are affiliated with CBS and/or The Big Bang Theory. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Support as there are a number of reliable sources out there that call her Cuoco-Sweeting. The Guardian Fox News People Magazine Chicago Tribune Us Weekly International Business Times LA Magazine E! News. And for all those shouting about RECENTISM and basing their opposition on that, the relevant policy says (WP:SPNC) "give more weight to reliable sources published after the name change when deciding whether the article title should change." Calidum T|C 02:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Support, This is how she gets credits now. See The Wedding Ringer at imdb and their profile of Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting. Again, there would be less of a problem if WP:NATURALNESS were sensibly written to say something like: "Wording within the title is of a form that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English. "Kaley Cuoco ..." is still in the title and a prime content of common recognisability remains. Its her declared and actual name. ping Blueboar
    GregKaye 03:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Oppose. Kaley Cuoco is still the WP:COMMONNAME, despite some sources (or even credits) calling her Cuoco-Sweeting. Per the WP:SPNC link above, Cat Stevens is still Cat Stevens, despite calling himself Yusuf Islam for nearly the last 40 years. Moving Cuoco to Cuoco-Sweeting now, after a 20 year long career as Cuoco, would be WP:RECENTISM. Let's address it again in a few years. Nymf (talk) 06:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RECENTISM. Nymf presents an excellent example above. As for sources using "Cuoco-Sweeting", sources actually seem to prefer "Kaley Cuoco" (sans "-Sweeting"):
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    For every source that uses "-Sweeting", there are more that don't.[8][9][10][11] --AussieLegend (✉) 06:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

    Question re name change

    There was a recent proposal — rejected — to move the article to Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting. The main arguments were WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RECENTISM. Although I disagreed, the statements seemed valid. Yet with the recent name change of Caitlyn Jenner and the rapid move of the article, I am confused. In both cases, a person chooses to change her name, and use that new name in all aspects. Yet in one case we do not accept the new name for months, but in the other we change the article immediately. Am I missing something?    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 22:32, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

    Not sure why that happened, but the renaming there has been contested. IMO it was moved too soon. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
    The big difference between the articles is that Bruce Jenner isn't just changing a name, he's publicly changing his life and gender identity. See WP:MOS:IDENTITY for more. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
    True; Jenner's change IS more substantial. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:19, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
    OK, I see WP:MOS:IDENTITY. I do not agree with it, but since it is policy, I will accede to it. To me, a living person's choice of name should take priority. But WP rules trump logic.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 06:06, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
    Umm ... what I read in MOS:IDENTITY is "when there is a discrepancy ... [and] it isn't clear which [name] is most used, use the term that the person or group uses". It does seem to me that the time has come to revisit the Cuoco-Sweeting debate. The anti-change arguments of WP:RECENTISM and even WP:COMMONNAME no longer apply. She has been going regularly by the name Cuoco-Sweeting for almost 18 months now in her personal statements, in her credits (35 episodes of The Big Bang Theory), and in the vast majority of third-party media reports. Wikipedia is looking increasingly out of step. GrindtXX (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
    @GrindtXX, perhaps you should institute another move request. I did the last one and it failed.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 10:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
    Less than a month since the last move request was closed. Would be pointy to create a new one this soon. Policies or guidelines have not changed since then. Nymf (talk) 11:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
    Agree. Perhaps in the fall, when the new season of The Big Bang Theory begins, there will be more media coverage, and we will see what name they use for her.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 13:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

    Her Facebook page says: "Kaley Cuoco Sweeting" SunSw0rd (talk) 00:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

    Facebook pages don't always use what the subject is most often known as, just saying. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

    Actually, recent reports indicate that Cuoco is seeking a divorce from Sweeting.[12] So this discussion may be rendered moot in a few months. Natg 19 (talk) 06:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

    In last week's Big Bang she was credited as Cuoco again. This is the name that should be reflected on the page. Smurfmeister (talk) 14:50, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

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    Info Pic

    We, as an encyclopedia, must do our best to reflect a subject to the best of our ability. Using pics that are available to us that are the most recent picture of the subject is preferred as it's the best way to reflect how that person looks now. It's different with subjects who are deceased, but the living should match up with how they look now. Cuoco doesn't have long hair anymore. We have a pic from 2014 at our disposal, so we should very much use it. Rusted AutoParts 13:30, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

    But the 2013 photo is better quality. It's quality that matters, how recent something is second. That's why there's older pictures from the last decade on some articles, because there either wasn't any recent photos or they were of bad quality. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 13:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
    Indeed, there are plenty of biographical articles, both for alive and dead people, that use images based on quality, not whether or not it's the most recent version. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
    Concur with above that quality takes precendence over date. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
    Which then leaves us with an outdated look at the subject. I get it when we don't have a more recent picture, but we do. But clearly how pretty it is holds more water than being as accurate as possible. Its the standard we hold in text, why is it different for pictures? Why is Wikipedia so fundamentally fucked up that there's guidelines that can overule other guidelines despite those guidelines still being used to enforce a standard, something we clearly lack. What happened to consistency? Certain articles have infoboxes for the person and others don't because the users felt it's unneeded. All I ask for is for consistency. There are articles out there that insist upon having the most recent picture, regardless of prettiness. so many double standards, it's infuriating. Rusted AutoParts 16:28, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
    Rusted AutoParts, in your original edit summary reverting the current photo back to the newer you stated, "we go with the most recent picture of the subject", suggesting policy dictates the most recent photo of an individual goes in the infobox. I know of no such policy. What's more, if we truly should always go with the most recent photo of an individual, that would mean we would be putting up badly framed, badly cropped, poorly lighted, and poorly positioned photos over photos that better meet MOS. Sorry, but when it comes to infobox photos, we need to include photos that best meets MOS in the way of how the photo presents the article subject to readers. If that means an older photo, then so be it. When a more recent photo best presenting the individual to readers becomes available (and wouldn't be a copyvio), then we update and add that photo. Common sense, please. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
    What's common sense to me is reflecting the subject to the most recent time, but whatever. Rusted AutoParts 17:21, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
    In practice, that's generally an unrealistic aim as we often don't have a photo of "the most recent time" and that's certainly the case here. Cuoco looks different now to what she did is 14 months ago when File:Kaley Cuoco ASPCA awards - Oct 2014 (cropped).jpg was taken, so that image doesn't represent her currently. --AussieLegend (✉) 09:40, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
    As previous editors have stated, we don't go by most recent. Recentism comes after quality. Quality comes first. We could have a picture of her from 2007 if the image was better quality than the one we have now. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

    The Golden Raspberry Awards Nomination is not on her Awards list

    I know the Golden Razzies isn't the most prestigious of awards, but it is still an official award. She was nominated for Worst Supporting Actress for Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip (voice only) and The Wedding Ringer as Eleanor and Gretchen Palmer, the awards haven't been given out yet, but I thought it should at least be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.214.151.121 (talk) 13:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

    Name Change

    I notice there's a comment stating not to remove "Sweeting" until her divorce is finalized. Is there an established rule regarding this? She seems to already prefer going by just her maiden name (See http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/01/11/bachelor-ben-higgins-invites-kaley-cuoco-to-come-on-bachelor-live/ or her credit in the most recent TBBT episode.

    Are finalized divorce proceedings public record or are we just waiting for a source confirming they are finalized? Is her current legal name more important than her preferred name? DaRkAgE7[Talk] 04:26, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

    Preferred names are first, I'm sure. The Sweeting surname was removed from her commercial for the Humane Society and The Big Bang Theory, at least that's what I saw. Drake Bell is not the actor/singer's legal name, but it's "Jared Drake Bell". We go by preferred names mainly, and how they are credited in their works and/or sources. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
    Per WP:Article titles, we name articles based off of what a subject is most commonly known as. It can very much be different from one's legal name. The hidden note was placed because her name change and divorce weren't finalized. "Sweeting" can be removed from the lead once the divorce (and thus her name change) are legally finalized. She is credited now as just "Kaley Cuoco" in The Big Bang Theory, but television credits don't always reflect legal identity. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

    I have removed Sweeting from her name, now that her divorce has been finalized. [1] CSLoomis ( talk | contribs ) 16:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

    References

    1. ^ http://www.etonline.com/news/188370_kaley_cuoco_divorce_from_ryan_sweeting_is_finalized/

    Personal Beliefs

    I understand that Cuoco's page is semi-protected but advocate for the following to be added to her Personal Life section:

    Cuoco has openly admitted to having undergone cosmetic surgery. Specifically, a rhinoplasty, dermal filler for a neck wrinkle, and breast implants, which she described as “the best thing I ever did”.[1][2] In an interview with Women’s Health, she asserted that “as much as you want to love your inner self, I’m sorry, you also want to look good”.[3]

    Cuoco received significant media attention surrounding controversial remarks made in an interview with Redbook magazine. When asked if she considered herself a feminist, Cuoco responded: “Is it bad if I say no? I was never that feminist girl demanding equality, but maybe that’s because I’ve never really faced inequality…I cook for Ryan five nights a week: it makes me feel like a housewife. I love that. I know it sounds old-fashioned, but I like the idea of women taking care of their men”.[4][5] In subsequent interviews, Cuoco has apologized for and retracted these statements, telling Cosmopolitan magazine, “of course I’m a f*cking feminist. Look at me. I bleed feminism.” [6][7]

    KSayuri (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

    The feminism part might be worth including, though the cosmetic surgery bit is superfluous either way. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:09, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
    Thanks for your feedback, I have added the feminism part and left the rest. KSayuri (talk) 05:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

    References

    1. ^ "Kaley Cuoco: My plastic surgery was 'the best thing I ever did'". Nov 17, 2016. Retrieved March 30, 2017.
    2. ^ "This Is Exactly How Kaley Cuoco Eats and Works Out to Keep Her Abs THAT Toned". Nov 17, 2016. Retrieved March 30, 2017.
    3. ^ "This Is Exactly How Kaley Cuoco Eats and Works Out to Keep Her Abs THAT Toned". Nov 17, 2016. Retrieved March 30, 2017.
    4. ^ "Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting Does Not Consider Herself a Feminist: I Love Feeling Like a Housewife". Dec 30, 2014. Retrieved March 30, 2017.
    5. ^ "Kaley Cuoco: I'm Not a Feminist and I Love Feeling Like a Housewife". Dec 30, 2014. Retrieved March 30, 2017.
    6. ^ "Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting apologizes for saying she's not a feminist". Jan 2, 2015. Retrieved March 30, 2017.
    7. ^ "KKaley Cuoco: "Of Course I'm a F*cking Feminist"". Mar 4, 2016. Retrieved March 30, 2017.

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    Missing one of her television shows!

    She appear on the television show call Charmed, I think on the last season, as Billy Jenkins, its weird not see that show on her page, since it was the first time I saw her on television and felled in love of her! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:109F:4:25F4:C95F:FBD8:8E1C:7A11 (talk) 04:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

    There are 3 references to Charmed, in the lead, in the body of the articles and in a table. --AussieLegend (✉) 17:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

    Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2018

    8 Simple Rules for Dating My Teenage Daughter, then * simple rules 71.40.177.225 (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

     Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 11:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

    Living Celebrities =

    I am still not sure what relevance a living TV star has to an "encyclopedia". So she knows how to speak up for herself. That's certainly a breath of fresh air versus the common whiny expectation. If you want it, show why you should get it and demand it. Isn't that capitalism, ie. the value proposition? This whole thing is so tiring, i.e. the inundation of Wikipedia becoming a rag for the rich and famous to show off their exploits, i.e. their resume. 216.195.89.58 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:31, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

    Residence

    The German wiki page says Kaley Cuoco resides in the Los Angeles Suburb of Tarzana. Halenane (talk) 20:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

    We cannot use the German wiki as a source, but if they cite a source, we might be able to use that source. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

    Minor point, but someone please fix this anyway

    The statement that she landed a role on 8 Simple Rules is inaccurate, because that wasn't the name of the show when she landed the role; it was originally named 8 Simple Rules for Dating My Daughter; it wasn't until later that they shortened the name.47.139.42.46 (talk) 05:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

    Fair point. I have made an adjustment to the "Career" section. I don't think anything needs to be done elsewhere, where the references are to the series as a whole, and the short title is more appropriate. GrindtXX (talk) 11:20, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

    Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2019

    add in television that she voiced the pool in young Sheldon season 3 102.134.136.1 (talk) 08:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

     Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 10:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

    Early live section missing?

    it is a bit weird that references to parents and siblings are missing .. what if found is: Kaley Christine Cuoco was born on November 30, 1985, in Camarillo, California, to parents Layne Ann Wingate and Gary Carmine Cuoco. She has a younger sister, Briana — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.254.103.200 (talk) 19:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    What are you talking about? Both of Kaley's parents and her sister are mentioned by name in that section. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

    Other names in info box.

    Cuoco divorced Sweeting so should the name Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting be in the info box? Govvy (talk) 14:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

    In some of her work she is credited as Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting, so IMO yes it should. GrindtXX (talk) 14:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
    Hmm, I've seen the name on Big Bang, but it was only for a very short time. Seems a bit strange to me, but okay. Govvy (talk) 22:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

    Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2020

    In the television section under Filmography, the Don't Forget Your Toothbrush listing links to an unrelated British TV programme that ended 5 years before her appearance. Please can the link to that article be removed. 84.92.90.18 (talk) 09:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

     Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

    Her sister

    Her sister is an actress, playing the female lead in one movie and a number parts in t.v. and other movies. This is more significant than appearing on some singing show. 37.99.87.70 (talk) 09:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

    I've added a bit to the description of her sister and added a ref for it. Schazjmd (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

    Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2021

    2021-01-16 Add update to personal section re death of dog Norman - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9154881/Kaley-Cuoco-mourns-death-dog-Norman.html 82.69.70.79 (talk) 01:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

     Not done: The Daily Mail isn't used as a source on Wikipedia, per WP:DAILYMAIL. Seagull123 Φ 14:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

    Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021

    145.40.201.60 (talk) 11:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

    Section “Television” should be renamed to “Series”. The previous table refers to “Movies” and not to “Cinema”.

     Not done: "television" and "film" are correct, and cohere with how filmography tables are done across Wikipedia, see WP:FILMOGRAPHY for a stock standard example. Volteer1 (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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