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A fact from Kalenderhane Mosque appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 May 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the mosque of Kalenderhane (pictured) in Istanbul contained the most ancient cycle of frescoes portraying Saint Francis of Assisi still extant?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/May.

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Questions

1. When was the extant structure constructed?

it ıs wrıtten in the article.

The conservation of the building dates from the 1970s, when it was extensively restored and studied with a ten year effort by Cecil L. Striker and Doğan Kuban, who brought it back to its twelfth century condition

2. What is the Byzantine hall church? The term is usually applied to German churches.

Read please the first sentence of the voice Hall church.Eine hall church ist nicht immer eine Hallenkirche. ;-)

3. Please translate "Theotokos tom Diakonisses" or "Christos ho Akaleptos". This wikipedia is supposed to be written in English.

You are right, I will do it as soon as i come back from vacation.

4. The listing of the "main architectural examples of a domed Greek cross church" is rather frivolous (and unsourced), as it ignores the churches of Greece.

The list does not come from me, but from Richard Krautheimer (see note, I must add still the page number), who is considered the highest authority in byzantine architecture of the XX century, and refers to the prototypes of this church type.

5. How did the frescoes on the life of a Catholic saint appear in an Eastern Orthodox church? --Ghirla^-трёп- 01:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote now in the article.

Alex2006 07:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to create an account but found the process too lengthy. I am the co-director of the Kalenderhane Archaeologicl Project and co-editor of the final publication volumes. The basic article is somewhat improved but there are still errors: The excavated remains of buildings were not dated "on the basis of masonry" but rather from precise coin finds in stratigraphic excavation. In reply to the questions, most are answered in our book, Cecil L. Striker & Y. Dogan Kuban, Kalenderhane in Istanbul: The Buildings, Mainz, 1997. In reply to specific questions: 1. The extant structure contains many building phases. Its main features date from the reconstruction in the years 1197-1204. We did not "bring the building back to its 12th c. condition." We restored each phase with respect to its date of construction. It is we who carried out the restoration under the authority of the Vakiflar General Directorate. 2. There is no such thing as a "Byzantine hall church." The term is sometime incorrectly applied to a basilica plan. This has nothing to do with the German gothic "Hallenkirchen." 3. Mother of God Diaconissa (an epithet of the Virgin). Christ the Ungraspable. 4. The Krautheimer typology was conceived by him before first publication of this survey in 1965. Since then the field -- and the late Prof. Krautheimer -- thinks rather differently about his typology. (Kratheimer was my teacher so I know whereof I speak.) 5. The St. Francis frescos were painted during the period of the Latin Crusader occupation of Constantinople. Wikipedia should delete questions reflecting utter ignorance of the subject. 72.78.43.116 17:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Prof. Striker, it has been really an honour for me to see that you read my small contribution to Kalenderhane. I hope that yo will show some indulgence about these contributions, since I am not a scholar, but I am just fond of this beautiful subject.

Please feel free to correct the article and all the others which I wrote as you like. Just a little observation: the edition of the work of the late Prof. Krautheimer which is in my possess is from 1986, and the author himself writes there that he revised it, expanding in particular the part about the late byzantine architecture. Anyway, me too, when I visited the building last winter, had some doubt about its typology.

About your last sentence, I can ensure you that there are many things here which are worse than answering to question denoting ignorance. For example, observing that 90 % of the corrections to my contributions on the byzantine churches consist either on substituting the word 'Istanbul' with 'Constantinople', or viceversa, ignoring that the use of one term rather than the other depends exclusively on the historical context... :-((

Thanks again, and kind regards from the Golden Horn.

Alex2006 14:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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