Talk:Kaaba

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2024

Fix common grammar error. Date should read "AD 683" instead of "683 AD" at end of first paragraph. Dates are formatted either YYYY BC and AD YYYY, or YYYY BCE and YYYY CE. Gamwise (talk) 20:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: MOS:AD says "AD appears before or after a year". Left guide (talk) 21:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

In any case, it should be "none of the above". Conventionally, we do not use the Christian notation (Anno Domini Jesu Christi) in articles about Islam or Judaism. See MOS:ERA. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Another issue is that the entire article features an inconsistent date format, some places use AD while others use CE. According to MOS:BCE, the date format must be consistent throughout the article. Xoocit (talk) 11:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Well no, not really. Mostly it uses CE for dates before or shortly after the Hijra, then AH dates thereafter (with the CE equivalent for reader convenience, same as we do with weights and measures). I found two further instances of AD notation, which I have brought into conformance. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2024

To whom it may concern,

Under the history section of the page on the Kaaba, there exists a media file annotated "Miniature from 1307 CE depicting Muhammad fixing the black stone into the Kaaba".

This illustration, depicting the prophet Muhammad may be viewed as offensive to many users. It would be ideal to either mark out the face of the figure, or replace the image with something else of relevance.

Thank you for your time in reading this request.

Good day. 154.198.88.224 (talk) 08:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ for the reason why your request will not be accepted. It also contains advice on how you may stop images being shown to you. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2024

In this sentence:

Islamic sanctities received great attention from the Circassian sultans during the period in which they ruled the Islamic world (1382–1517 CE), with the Kaaba receiving significant attention.

please remove the CE. It's obvious from the context: if this were BCE, it would be 1517-1382, not the other way around, and since Muhammad was born in the sixth century CE, there weren't any Islamic sanctities in 1382 BCE because Islam didn't exist yet. WP:ERA says "In general, omit CE or AD, except to avoid ambiguity or awkwardness", so CE should be omitted. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done In most cases your analysis would be correct but in this article, CE is being distinguished from AH, not from AD. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

But according to Hijri year, the current AH year is 1445 or 1446. If you don't generally use AH, you'll assume that this means AD unless it says otherwise. If you do generally use it, you'll know that 1382 was just a few decades ago (when there weren't sultans ruling the Islamic world) and 1517 is in the future. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I can see the logic of that argument and in general we try to avoid attaching an era notation when no ambiguity arises (to avoid nonsense like "2024 AD"). But in this case I believe that the correct way to resolve it is to give the date in both notations, hence "during the period in which they ruled the Islamic world (784–924 AH, 1382–1517 CE)", which I have now done. Of course another editor may agree with you and disagree with me: if so I will concede the point. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2024

I want to edit this section in Background :

"In her book Islam: A Short History, Karen Armstrong asserts that the Kaaba was officially dedicated to Hubal, a Nabatean deity, and contained 360 idols which probably represented the days of the year.[27] However, by the time of Muhammad's era, it seems that the Kaaba was venerated as the temple of Allah, the High God,"

why? the Kaaba can only be used to refer to the house of allah in itself, it doesn't have any other meaning, now the problem here is, this place couldn't be called el Kaaba before it was even built, and calling it that, causes some people to have a false assumptions about muslims worshipping others dietys in allah own house which is extremely offensive,

instead it should be something like this:

"In her book Islam: A Short History, Karen Armstrong asserts that the grounds in which the Kaaba was built upon was officially dedicated to Hubal, a Nabatean deity, and contained 360 idols which probably represented the days of the year.[27] However, by the time of Muhammad's era the Kaaba was built as the temple of Allah, the High God,"

as a Muslim and an Arabic speaker, I can tell you that the Kaaba is not a land again its the house of allah in itself and its important to distinguish between the kaaba in itself and the ground that it was built upon. Adam.R12 (talk) 05:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please read WP:VERIFY and feel free to reopen the edit request if you can find a reliable source that supports your proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 09:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Just to be clear: what you say is most probably true. But for this high-profile article, every assertion needs supporting evidence. So when you find that evidence and it supports clearly what you say, then it can be incorporated. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)