Talk:Ka-Bar/Archives/2013

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: MOVED per consensus below. Tiggerjay (talk) 07:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC) Tiggerjay (talk) 07:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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KA-BAR → Ka-bar – Old magazine ads mostly say "Ka-bar"; marine books say "Ka-Bar" and "ka bar". "Ka-bar" seems like a good choice, no? Dicklyon (talk) 05:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose Journalists aren't always right. KA-BAR, in uppercase, is very clearly the ricasso stamp from the outset. Maybe the usmc use Ka-bars, but the USMC still seem to favour KA-BAR. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

  In light of MOS:TM, the all-caps ricasso stamp would not seem to have much relevance in how we style it in WP. Dicklyon (talk) 16:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support anything but KA-BAR - KA-BAR is along the same lines as the lowercase facebook stylization. Why should we capitalize it if Ka-bar wasn't capitalizing their trademark in their own advertisements? Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

  Well, to be fair, Union Cutlery did start capitalizing their brand after a while. But they apply it now as their company name as well as to a wide range of knives, whereas the topic of this article is the "contemporary popular name for the combat knife first adopted by the United States Marine Corps in November 1942 as the 1219C2 combat knife". That's what the marines and others refer to as Ka-bar and Ka-Bar. In any case, MOS:TM applies, and we should not use all caps. Dicklyon (talk) 05:18, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support Ka-Bar. Since it's proprietary, I'm inclined to capitalize the B. MOS:CAPS isn't entirely clear, so I wouldn't object to Ka-bar, however. --BDD (talk) 18:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
• Support move to Ka-Bar. GregJackP Boomer!
• Support. This ngram suggests "Ka-Bar" is the most common form of the name, but this move would certainly be an improvement, per WP:ALLCAPS. Kauffner (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
• Support Ka-Bar as per above; since this has been discussed, I am bringing a G6 to get this move done. Tiggerjay (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Probable vandalism

The first sentence of the history section:

The owner of the KA-BAR trademark, the Union Cutlery Co. of Olean, New York, began using the name on its knives and in its advertising in 1923[5] after receiving a testimonial letter by a Keith Fusion, who used the knife to kill a wounded bear after the Ka bar was bit in half.

looks suspicious. Edits by 146.130.64.165 in October 2012 appear to be vandalism, only partially reverted by 173.26.15.82. Someone more knowledgeable than me on the subject might care to verify and/or fix. 203.176.108.99 (talk) 23:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Good catch. Fixed; at least that sentence. Dicklyon (talk) 00:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Better image of service?

In the section Ka-Bar#Service, the image shows a Marine working with his bayonet, not his Ka-Bar. Note there is no fuller on the tool in his hand, and his Ka-Bar is in its sheath on his belt. Recommend changing to another image showing the use of a Ka-Bar. — Brianhe (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2013 (UTC)