Talk:Justice and Jurisprudence

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the writing and publication of Justice and Jurisprudence in 1889 has been described as "the Magna Carta of black people"? Source: Since its publication in 1889, whatever influence Justice and Jurisprudence has had on American law, its origination stands as the Magna Carta of black people, and its powerful themes now grace the matrix of American law

Created by Eddie891 (talk) and AleatoryPonderings (talk). Nominated by Eddie891 at 01:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Well-written, no grammatical problems, and I see absolutely nothing preventing this from getting a DYK. Jon698 (talk) 12:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I have QPQ'd Template:Did you know nominations/Sèvres Egyptian Service BTW. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization of Black

Eddie891, I completely agree that Black should be capitalized as it is in this article, and has been by the vast majority of mainstream US news media (at least following this summer's events). I am less clear about WP's policy on this. Do we have one? If not, should we get one? I shudder to think of what an RfC at MOS:CAPS would be like if this isn't policy yet—especially given the fact that RS capitalize Black and not white. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 19:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

AleatoryPonderings I'm not aware of any policy one way or another-- it's something I don't think very many people really considered before, say, June 2020. While it might be worth codifying in policy, I don't personally think its worth the effort that an RFC would entail unless multiple users actually are actively disagreeing with it, which isn't something I've seen. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha, seems reasonable. Was mainly just curious. I've been reverted on it before on Lloyd Austin, but that's the only time I can recall it being opposed. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 19:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Interesting (reliable?) source

Eddie891: This 1919 biographical encyclopedia explicitly attributes J+J to John Henry Keene. Worth a mention? Unclear to me if it's reliable. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 03:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

AleatoryPonderings thanks for adding some stuff already! I think that book looks fine to add a brief mention of, though I wouldn't use it for any crazy claims. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Typo?

The article states "Although the book is listed as having been written only by Brotherhood of Liberty, the scholar Elaine K. Freeman argues that John Henry Keene, a white lawyer, actually wrote the vast majority of the book; Johnson attributes only its first 43 pages to the Brotherhood and argues that they were written by Harvey Johnson." Shouldn't "Johnson attributes only its..." actually be "Freeman attributes only its..."?

Yeah, I suppose it is. Good catch. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC)