Talk:Just the Way You Are (Bruno Mars song)/GA1

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 00:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~There are a handful of issues with the external links according to the toolbox on the right.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:23, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- A couple still remain.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:00, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Could you explain to me what does this means in some of the links? "Changes domain" and how to fix it? Thank you MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:39, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - The ones that say changes domain are fine. The only one that continues to be a problem is the romanialibera.ro domain link. It seems to be redirecting as if the link was not evergreened and is now dead.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:15, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - I repleaced the link by a new one with the same info. Please take a look, I believe all the problems with links are now fixed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I also replaced the dead links of Year-End charts. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:38, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LEAD

~~Why don't you link the Billboard charts?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Also link Radio 1.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~If any covers have charted, name those artists.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Is there a list of "best selling digital singles of all time" to link to?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

--I don't understand when you mean "link the billboard charts" can you show me an example? Same goes for Radio 1. No cover have charted. I don't believe is such a thing regarding the list of "best selling digital singles of all time" MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- - Toward the end you say that one cover version charted. That artist should be mentioned here.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:49, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- See the LEAD at Here We Go Again (Ray Charles song).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~It says "it was the eighth best selling digital single of 2012". However source refers to 2011 and the article says the song was released in 2010.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Writing and production

~~A&R?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell me what's wrong with A&R?

I don't know what A&R is? Please clarify.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Artists and repertoire (A&R) is the division of a record label or music publishing company that is responsible for talent scouting and overseeing the artistic development of recording artists and/or songwriters. It also acts as a liaison between artists and the record label or publishing company; every activity involving artists to the point of album release is generally considered under the purview of, and responsibility of, A&R." - wiki. I have put a disambiguation link to the definition. Ok I will find more two or three that I have seen. I ahve moved the version by Pierce the Veil including the single infobox but I don't think it's important the infobox and it also ruins the article so we could delete it. What's your opinion?MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 02:06, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You linked it to the second use. I moved the link to the first use. Even linked it does not provide context. Please re-evaluate and consider how to clear this up. Maybe add a word or two. Is an A&R a type of representative?--03:54, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I cleared up a bit in order to give a little definition of what the A&R have done in the process of developing this song.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:06, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you move the clarification to the first use of the term.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is Aaron Bay-Schuck a person or a company. If it is a person, change which to who.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:10, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Release

~~Should remixe be remix or remixes?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Composition and lyrical interpretation

~~"what critics described as a nicely with smooth, ballad vocals" seems ungrammatical.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~What does "instant classic feel to 'Empire State Of Mind'" mean?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This section has a lot of terms outside of quotes that seem to need to be linked.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe they have all are inside quotes.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about instrumentation and vocal range?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:24, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that terms inside quotes were only those refering to reviews of the song. I guess you are right, all done I believe. Thank you for the tips. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:32, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you just said and I don't understand your response to the two terms I mentioned above.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:03, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was saying that I didn't no I had to quote the instrumentation and vocal range. I only thought it was the reviews of the song describing it. Everything it's quoted. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was not what I meant. In general we don't use wikilinks on words inside quotes. However, neither of these was in quotes. I was wondering if there are wikilinks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:05, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I get it now. Sorry but I never did something like this before so some terms are new to me and I might missintrepert some vocabulary. Now it's correct, please check it. Thank You MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It does not appear that either is linked right now. Could you further clarify what you have linked to address this concern.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:53, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Both remain unlinked. What am I suppose to check?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that you meant that you didn't want wikilinks there. I have provided a wikilink for everything meaningful that is out of quote. Please take a look MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking if you feel you should link instrumentation and vocal range?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:22, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, most of the articles including GA and FA. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your response. what are you waiting on?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:52, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have linked instumentation and vocal range(relevant wikilinks regarding the composition of the song). I was just saying that the majority of FA and GA articles have wikilinks on that section.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:19, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reception and accolades

~~See WP:LASTNAME regarding Alicia Keys. Only link first use.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance

~~Since it was on the Billboard Hot 100 for 48 weeks, you should probably tell us when it debuted and ended.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:57, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~"it reached the 11 weeks at the number one in the Netherlands on December 20" is ungrammatical.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:57, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Provide a WP:IC from a WP:RS for this fact.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:20, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I provided a link and clear up the setence MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:06, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Development and synopsis

~~how much beautiful?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances

surely you can find a handful of morning shows like Good Morning America, primetime shows like American Idol or Dancing With The Stars, or Late night shows such as Leno, Letterman, O'Brian, Fallon, Kimmel, Ferguson, etc.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Grammy Nominations concert in 2010 - state which Grammy ceremony this was for and link it if it is not already linked above.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Link to the proper NBA All-Star game.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing

~~Can you add some prose to explain all of this section.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:51, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The text describes 4 versions and their are 8 in that section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All of the versions have been described.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chart precession and succession

~~Explain to me how these are organized.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:52, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pierce the Veil version

~~Why is this separate from the other covers?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:55, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

~~Eliminate ALL-CAPS text whenever possible.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:07, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- At least 4 refs still have All-Caps.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:12, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - WHat do you mean with ALL-CAPS? They are only written in Caps? Give me an example MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:14, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - If a citation contains the following: "DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS". You must correct it so that the phrase is not in All Caps font.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:55, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Fixed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:22, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        There is at least one still left (INTERVIEW).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Corrected. Also take a look at others. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:35, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

General

Be wary of WP:OVERLINKing with redundant links.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:16, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Main image has an adequate FUR.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
File:Bruno Mars - Just the way you are video.jpg has a FUR. However, I think it needs to be better tied into the prose. Please make the WP:CAPTION more elaborate.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
File:Cory Monteith 2, 2011.jpg is PD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
File:Grammy.jpg notes some reservations about the PD status. I need a 2nd opinion on that.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
File:PGP4 PierceTheVeil Single Cover Final.jpg has an adaquate FUR for its current use. However, I am questioning that use above.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:05, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CAPTIONs are adequate. I would prefer to see cover art captioned, but that is optional.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:06, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not 100% sure what do you want me to improve in the File:Bruno Mars - Just the way you are video.jpg coud you explain it differently? Thank You MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:50, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am putting this On Hold. I will monitor progress and review this after 7 days.

I have improved what you asked until the Track Listening section, could you take a look? Thank You.Also the "Chart precession and succession" section is organized by dates, when the single first reached number one. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have another show on the live performances. How many are needed? I have added some text to the Track Listening it is that what you are looking for? I have replaced some of the dead links, also.

Add all the live performances you can document.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look at the Track listing prose when I get a chance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Updated status

In terms of overlinking I see 5 or so links with the dup links highlight tool.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you give me an example because I can't see duplicate links? Thank you MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - I have fixed most of them.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:27, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks. I also corrected other two or three that still remained. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:20, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll revisit the images.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I.e., I'll check up on the following from before
- File:Bruno Mars - Just the way you are video.jpg has a FUR. However, I think it needs to be better tied into the prose. Please make the WP:CAPTION more elaborate.
  - My point is the text never describes him arranging the media in the shape of him playing the piano. Furthermore the whole description of what he does with the media is unsourced. I.e., now it may be more a problem with the prose in this section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to improve it. Done, it's near to impossible to find a source describing that.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- File:Grammy.jpg notes some reservations about the PD status. I need a 2nd opinion on that.
  - Second opinion:This file is used on hundreds (perhaps thousands) of pages, including several Grammy-related FLs, and it hasn't been nominated for deletion before. What specifically concerns you about its free status? Adabow (talk) 08:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - It is sculptural/artistic. I am not sure why it is different from a replica of any other sculpture.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~File:PGP4 PierceTheVeil Single Cover Final.jpg has an adaquate FUR for its current use. However, I am questioning that use above.~~
  - See latest concern below.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:COVERSONG, explain why the Pierce the Veil version would be notable enough for a standalone article if this article did not exist.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Unless you have charting info or sales info, you may want to remove the second infobox.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:29, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not responding. I believe that should be removed since there is no information regarding charts and sales info. Should I nominated it again? It took a long time for a 2nd opinion on that grammy sculpture. Thank you MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am FAILing this article. There have been no responses in over a week and this has dragged on long enough.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:12, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I have been convinced to reopen this review and am now PASSing the article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.