Talk:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022 is an upcoming event) --72.92.40.56 (talk) 19:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sportsfan 1234 and 72.92.40.56: did you read the reason for the speedy deletion? The article has already been taken to AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022 ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 19:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... as 20 december 2021, some country just want to join Jesc 2022 and it's right to make a page about new edition of the contest--151.38.11.80 (talk) 19:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... It relates to an upcoming annual international event--2A00:23C7:9389:8E01:F404:F3DA:EDD:E037 (talk) 19:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --195.166.150.80 (talk) 21:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC) it has information about next years contest

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --195.166.150.80 (talk) 22:21, 19 December 2021 (UTC) it is the only one of its kind and also we need it for jesc 2022 so please do not delete it thank you

Iceland and Norway

So not only did Iceland send a delegation to Paris to watch Junior Eurovision 2021, but there also appears to be technical support from the Norwegian broadcaster. This is raising speculation about the latter country returning to the contest in 2022 after a 16-year break and Iceland on the other hand debuting. If Iceland debuts and Norway returns, Norway's MGPjr format would have to be changed in order to be aligned with Junior Eurovision's current format.72.92.40.56 (talk) 14:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I added back Iceland. Do you have a more reliable source for Norway? The website you linked is wordpress, which is a free web host if I recall correctly. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

The current ref for Norway does not seem appropriate. The broadcaster says they sent a delegation to 2021, but it is the author of the article that speculates about 2022, not the broadcaster. The removal appears to be contested, so can we please discuss here. Grk1011 (talk) 15:42, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure; I'm inclined to not include it because it's not specific to 2022, even though it is a recent development that could enable their return in 2022. If Luka maas could actually explain why they are edit warring over this, then that would be appreciated. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Luka maas I see that you've thanked me for the removal edit, but did not restore it. I'm a bit confused. Could you please respond here? Grk1011 (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Sweden and UK

I also posted this on the talk page of the unregistered user constantly adding this back, but they completely ignored it. I personally don't think Sweden and the United Kingdom should be listed, because there is no information at all relating to future editions. I don't see the value of adding that content every single year forward to the article. Isn't such things basically the purpose of the Sweden in the Eurovision Song Contest and United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest articles, to list info that relates to the country's entire participation and not specific years? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Croatia

Do you know anything about Croatia? 95.178.160.181 (talk) 11:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

No JESCFan11 (talk) 04:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Azerbaijan wants to participate Junior Eurovision 202

🇦🇲Armenia's representative Maléna won the junior eurovision song contest 2021 in Paris🇫🇷 . Than Armenia published that Armenia will host Junior Eurovision 2022 . Such people was talking "would Azerbaijan participate in Armenia?" Because already 2 years ago it was war on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan for Nagorno-karabakh territories . Azerbaijan said . "No matter what country will host the contest , Azerbaijan will always participate " , but Azerbaijan 🇦🇿officially did not publish about it .

That is already in the article. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Location & month

@Luka maas: you said the city and month are not confirmed, but there is still a source in the location section that confirms this. Or is 1Lurer not a reliable source? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

1Lurer is the news outlet of AMPTV, which is the public broadcaster in Armenia and the host broadcaster of this year's contest. The article in the source says it's going to be in December. Unfortunately, the English version of the piece is not available. But the article also includes conversations with the organizing team and the head of the Armenian delegation, so it's more than reliable. QueerStone (talk) 23:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

We should wait until the ebu confirms the date/month and the venue. This is all based speculation and articles that may be untrustworthy (translated). I do think it’ll be held in the mentioned venue and month but it’s not confirmed by the EBU, AMPTV or another participating broadcaster. Luka maas (talk) 09:01, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay true I read all the articles and they’re still questionable but trustworthy enough for Wikipedia, if you guys want to keep it, keep it Luka maas (talk) 09:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I still don't really understand why it wouldn't be trustworthy? I mean yes one of the two sources is from an outlet owned by the organising broadcaster, but it's not like it's any controversial info or like the source has any reason to spread misinformation about the date and location. I'd also find it very unlikely that they'd get it wrong by mistake. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Russia

Russia just got kicked out of the Eurovision Song Contest 2022. I bet this could affect Russia's Junior Eurovision participation. In fact, the EBU is going to discuss suspending Russia's broadcasters on Monday.72.92.40.56 (talk) 10:49, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

If you have any realiable source that actually confirms Russia has been kicked out of JESC, then go ahead and add it. Until then, there is no place for rumours on Wikipedia. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Jochem van Hees I agree, and the last sentence on the Russian context needs to be reworded or removed, as it contravenes WP:NOTNEWS. 84.64.235.211 (talk) 22:38, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Bosnia and Herzegovina

@JESCFan11: Countries should only be listed on this page if they've actually said something about their JESC 2022 participation. As far as I can tell this is not the case; it's pure speculation. EBU members come and go, that's not something to actively report on on the JESC pages. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It does effect Junior Eurovision because of BHRT shuts down Bosnia and Herzegovina will no longer be a member of the EBU and will no longer be allowed to participate in any EBU contests until another broadcaster does. JESCFan11 (talk) 07:03, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure, but they were never interested in JESC in the first place. So they have gone from not participating to not participating. How is that "affecting Junior Eurovision"? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

They shown interest in 2007 and 2008. Broadcasted the event multiple times JESCFan11 (talk) 11:07, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Norway

There's no source saying Norway's not coming back, so please don't highlight the country unless we know NRK's final decision.72.92.40.56 (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

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🇸🇮?

Why is Slovenia painted yellow(colour of withdrewn countries) if there is nothing about withdrawing in other countries? 213.149.62.178 (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Norway and Slovenia

Norway and Slovenia considered a return, but now they said no! Don't rule out thinking said countries will make a U-turn like Bulgaria and Italy did last year.72.92.40.56 (talk) 22:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Norway and Sweden

Norway and Sweden aren't on the list of non-participating countries according to the recent story on ESCPlus.[1] That being said, anything is possible.72.92.40.56 (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@72.92.40.56 whats the source for this? Vesparaw07 (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

List of non-participants without further explanation

@Grk1011: I don't think that list suggests some sort of requirement, it's more of a way to just summarise a bunch of individual statements that aren't worth writing out in the article because they're all basically the same. It's there because it gives more info about which countries could compete; once the full list of participants is announced, it can be removed. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

My concern is that they seem to be very WP:CRYSTAL-like. We shouldn't be speculating about which countries could compete, only stating facts, or at least things that have reasonable certainty. This has become even more relevant (to me personally) as I've been looking through some of the other articles in the WikiProject where when things changed or the contests themselves were canceled and no one changed or updated anything. For example Eurovision Asia Song Contest was one wild read! If the point of including these is to help the reader make an assumption about who else is left that could partake, then I would say that's clear cut WP:SYNTHESIS (crossing EBU membership sources with non-participation sources). Grk1011 (talk) 01:55, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

You say it should only state facts, but that's exactly what it does. It's simply a list of countries that have given a cetain statement. It doesn't speculate or synthesize at all. It's not much different from the list of countries that said they did want to participate. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:22, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I guess it's more that it's not relevant that a country doesn't want to do something that they aren't required to do in the first place. Grk1011 (talk) 12:58, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Cyprus

I know this may sound confusing, but CyBC has had an article on their turkish language page about JESC, although it quickly got removed before people even got to screenshot it. This must be suspicious. Vesparaw07 (talk) 09:29, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

ok, so its confirmed. its the opposite of what i heard. Vesparaw07 (talk) 15:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Maybe they could’ve accidentally announced their participation. Even tho them stating no might not be the case. JESCFan11 (talk) 07:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Germany's withdrawal

The part about Germany's withdrawal correctly cites the source, but the source itself states something wrong. Germany doesn't withdraw due to travel restrictions, but due to a travel warning imposed by the Foreign Office. My source for that is in German though. An English-speaking source for the correct circumstance should be found. NayruLink (talk) 16:42, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Map with UK

Since the UK is participating as whole, should we remove Wales from the map? Or maybe move it to a box Aleki37 (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I suggest removing Wales and coloring the UK as a whole, putting it in a separate box would be confusing 4Namecheck123422 (talk) 19:37, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Croatia return

Do you maybe know anything abou the tweet that says something about Croatian return? 213.149.51.223 (talk) 21:52, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@213.149.51.223 people think its a lost case, but we'll see. Vesparaw07 (talk) 11:13, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Croatia will return

@esccroatia announced tgat Croatia will be comming back so I'm wondering why is Croatia not on particioants list? 95.168.107.3 (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Twitter is not a reliable source, and for this exact reason. That account is fake. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 20:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jochem van Hees btw, the account got suspended. Vesparaw07 (talk) 11:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Changes for unkraine's section

Can someone changed the artist for Ukraine Zlata Dzyunka won the final today 2607:FEA8:23E0:EC20:2C82:5B09:AE0F:C04D (talk) 16:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Bulgarian participation

The original confirmation of participation (Eurovoix) comes from a tweet from the @bg_eurovision Twitter account, the same account that now says they are not participating (and also the same account that announced in February that Kristian Kostov would represent Bulgaria in ESC 2022, which did not happen). I don't think anything from this account can be trusted so Bulgaria should not be listed, not in the list of participants and not in the list of other countries. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Slavekkk as you're the one who last readded Bulgaria ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Hmm... Well, if this is the case, then we need to write about Bulgaria in the "Active EBU members" section, something like: "Bulgaria participated in the 2021 contest, but, as of September 2022, has not yet done no announcement about participation in the 2022 contest" Slavekkk (talk) 16:24, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

...Bulgarian broadcaster has not yet done no announcement about participation in the 2022 contest Slavekkk (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that sounds good. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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Serbia

When Serbian song will be revealed? 95.85.181.235 (talk) 14:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

albania's Junior Fest

maybe write the date correctly? Vesparaw07 (talk) 17:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Untitled

The Italian song is bilingual and will be in Italian and English. It also contains one line in Armenian 87.97.21.241 (talk) 16:07, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a source? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 20:42, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aoidh (talk) 03:14, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

italy's 2022 page

just wanted to make a note that italy's "personal" jesc 2022 page hasn't been created yet while other countries' pages are. 2A02:A460:F642:1:4DDA:B72B:D9F8:33F0 (talk) 14:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Should we add the English name

Ok, do we add the English name for the Non-English titles?? Because people add Ukraine’s English title (Unbreakable) So if that’s the case, then do we add English names to all songs (that don’t have an English name) 72.79.26.151 (talk) 03:23, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

We follow what the sources tell us and in every attempt to change the titles of these songs no new sources have been added to allow us to verify the change. For the Kazakh and Ukrainin entries, according to the official Junior Eurovision website, these entries have dual names. None of the other entries going by the official website have dual names. This policy follows WP:COMMONNAME, and adding English translations that are not part of the song title itself counts as WP:OR. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:12, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Winner's article

Now that Lissandro won JESC 2022, I think he and his song "Oh maman!" should have articles. Be sure to include reliable sources and all! 96.227.141.216 (talk) 23:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

The creation of an article has to stand up against Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Right now an article on either subject is not warranted at this point, as it would fall foul of WP:ONEEVENT, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:NSONG. Right now both subjects are more reasonably covered in this article and France in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:21, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Although I'm not sure if there should be an article about Lissandro, I don't think that it would per se violate the guidelines that you linked. BLP1E only applies to low-profile individuals (see also Wikipedia:What BLP1E is not), and MUSICBIO point #9 is clearly met. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

ROLEX!?

Who in the right mind wrote 'Rolex' on the article!? Vesparaw07 (talk) 20:35, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

That was vandalism. You can look in the page history to see who it was and click the undo button. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

an article for junior eurovision song contest 2023 is needed

here is the thing: there is articles for 2023 in multiple languages, including french, german and norwegian. just not in english. it lists united kingdom as a participant, which increases the importance of an english language article. i have no idea what to do myself about it. please get it made.84.212.100.141 (talk) 14:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

There is a draft version of the JESC 2023 article at Draft:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2023, which is currently out for review for publication to the mainspace. Draft articles are however required to comply with Wikipedia policy and guidance before they are published, and potentially it may be too soon for this article to be published, given the overall lack of information there currently is for the junior contest later this year, e.g. we don't actually have a confirmed host country yet. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:07, 7 March 2023 (UTC)