Talk:July Days/Archive 1

Archive 1

Proletariat

I think the word Proletariat should be changed to workers or citizens of Petrograd. 82.128.171.35 13:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I made an attempt to NPOVify the article based on reliable sources. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 09:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The initial paragraph is wrong. The Bolsheviks did not lead the attack at all. Lenin was asked by the Kronstat sailors to lead them but he refused (as did other Bolsheviks). Despite this the Provisional government still sought to arrest all Bolsheviks forcing Lenin and others to flee to Finland.

Bolshevik Leadership

The article appears to imply that the July Days were encouraged by the Bolshevik leadership. In fact Bolshevik leaders (esp. Trotsky) attempted to restrain the strikes and violence. The whole point of the July Days was that the rank and file were restless for action, yet Trotsky/Lenin believed that the situation was premature for armed uprising. Did a quick google search and it's outlined more or less here. When I get home I'll dig out my books and get some references from historians. --Boatcolour (talk) 10:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

"Bolsheviks led the attack"

This is untrue. These were spontaneous demonstrations which the Bolsheviks later tried to provide leadership to in order to give them a peaceful character. Read the work of Znamensky and Rabinowitch. The demonstrations were peaceful and got violent only after the regime's goons unleashed an attack RZimmerwald (talk) 03:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The photo with "machine guns firing"

What is the exact source? Isn't it a frame from the cinematic "re-enaction" of the events staged by Bolsheviks later, in the 20s? --CopperKettle (talk) 15:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think you are right, I will add this. PatGallacher (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Background

It might be a good idea to include some background on the Kerensky offensive, or at least the discontent that led to the July Days rebellion. Slebens97 (talk) 00:36, 28 October 2017 (UTC) Slebens97

Dates of the July Days

According to Riasanovsky in his book A History of Russia, this event took place from the sixteenth to the eighteenth of July 1917 (not the 4th to the 7th) (pg 445). -Halverso 22:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

Riasanovsky was referencing Georgian Calendar based dates, this is largely due to the fact that his writing in this case covered a very large period of Russia which utilises various calendars. Accordingly, the use of 'New Style' dates is more friendly to the audience which he targets as an introduction to Russian history. Lastly, the date of July 3-5 (Old Style), for the event, is refuted by many sources, include primary works from Trotsky and Lenin --Bolkonsk (talk) 11:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Might want to include old style dates and new style dates throughout the article, similar to the Background section with Gregorian dates in parentheses. Slebens97 (talk) 01:24, 28 October 2017 (UTC) Slebens97

References

Peer Review Feedback from Spencer Brinkman

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Peer Review

Overall I think the article is very informative and structured. One thing I think could use some touching up is the Aftermath chapter at the end. The writing seems a bit too linear for an encyclopedia article. Despite this, I think it is still very informative, and has good historical basis and critical analysis of the impact behind the July Days. Lastly, there are a lot of Steinberg references, so perhaps try to find a few more sources (2 or 3) to kind of balance out the amount of Steinberg added into the article. Sbrinkman50 (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2017 (UTC)Spencer Brinkman"

Hon102awu12 (talk) 22:44, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Recent Contributions

This page was heavily edited and written by students from Honors 102: Russian Revolution at DePaul University during the days of 25 October - 8 November, 2017. Hon102awu12 (talk) 18:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)