Talk:July 12, 2007, Baghdad airstrike

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Bolding

Bringing this here to discuss my edit after it was reverted. @KalHolmann: According to MOS:BOLD: "[Bolding] is also done at the first occurrence of a term (commonly a synonym in the lead) that redirects to the article or one of its subsections, whether the term appears in the lead or not." The term "collateral murder" is widely used to refer to the event, or at least part of it, and said term also redirects to this page. It's not exactly an alternative name, and it doesn't appear in the first sentence, so I see no reason for it to not be in bold. Most readers would be more familiar with the term than the current generic mouthful. Prinsgezinde (talk) 21:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Prinsgezinde: Thank you for explaining that. Yes, I see that you are right. I have reverted my own edit, restoring yours. KalHolmann (talk) 21:28, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Title Typo

Hello. Can someone correct the "airstrike" in the title, please? While the article describes multiple airstrikes, the article's title makes it seem that there was only one airstrike. Thank you in advance. L00fers (talk) 05:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There were many airstrikes in Iraq during 2007, but this article is about a specific set of 3 airstrikes. Airstrike is more specific. Although the article still needs to be moved because of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events). The title should only have the year without the specific date. 2601:80:8402:1AA0:0:0:0:4972 (talk) 04:17, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 12, 2007, Baghdad airstrike → Collateral Murder – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the name that WikiLeaks gave to this event is the most common one. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How did you determine that Collateral Murder is the common name? Cambial — foliar❧ 21:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For example, when looking through Google Scholar, the results for "Baghdad airstrike" and "2007" or something results in < 100 results, "collateral murder" and "2007" results in > 1000 results. PhotographyEdits (talk) 12:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That only indicates that there are more mentions of the the phrase “collateral murder”; it doesn’t mean that the phrase is being used to refer to the airstrike itself, rather than the leaked footage of the attack. Cambial — foliar❧ 10:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is that you for real @Cambial Yellowing because we agree about a Wikileaks edit

And it doesnt mean its the right phrase for an encyclopedia entry or lookup. July 12 2007 Bagdad airtrike is exact, collateral murder could be anything

We dont name pages because of how popular the page name would be in search results Softlemonades (talk) 11:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article appears to be about the strike itself, not the video. Calling the airstrike itself that would be applying a WP:UNDUE opinion to the incident. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The title of the video is a metonymy of the airstrike, but is the common name for the airstrike as well. PhotographyEdits (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree with @Zxcvbnm Softlemonades (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Overly long and complicated lead

I've just edited the lead [1] to remove several long and poorly written sentences. It was totally unclear what these sentences were meant to convey and they certainly don't belong in the lead. If the writing is improved and the relevance clear they can be in the article body. -Darouet (talk) 14:33, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name discussion

Has there been a discussion of this article name? Wondering why it is called the date when it is far more noteworth under the name Collateral Murder. Has this been subject of an RM in the past? I would think we would use WP:COMMONNAME here. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 10:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scroll up ~ 3 inches ;) Cambial — foliar❧ 12:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 22:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]