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The last line of this page should be left at broke down and cried, as the rest of the line in inaccurate. Smith cried because she was missing her daughters graduation.

The last line should read “During debate on Same-Sex Marriage on June 27, 2005, Smith broke down and cried.” Not “During debate on Same-Sex Marriage on June 27, 2005, Smith broke down and cried that her daughter would never be able to get married and know that marriage is between a man and a woman.” As Smith cired because she was missing her daughters graduation as she spoke in the house about Same-sec Marriage. [anonymous poster]

She broke down and cried while she was talking about her daughter, and arguing that she (her daughter) would never know the "true meaning of marriage". The most rational explanation is that her emotional response had something to do with the words she was articulating. Do you have a quote that would suggest otherwise? CJCurrie 20:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In the same speech Ms. Smith said, while crying that as she spoke she was missing her daughters graduation. She then went on say that the legalisation was social engineering and that her daughter could never know the turn meaning of marriage being between a man and a woman. Smith’s break down could have been due to her position on the issue. However, it is not clearly because of that and could be equally due to the fact that she was missing her daughters graduation.

For the same reasons as listed about I believe that the last sentence of this page should be deleted. It also is reverting to a previous version of the article.

Here is the quote from Hansard: "My daughter knows that I am standing here today as a member of Parliament and as a mom, and discussing the business of our nation, so that when she graduates, she will be able to have those choices. If she decides to get married, she will know that the meaning of marriage is the union of a man and a woman. If she chooses otherwise, it will be her choice. The definition of marriage will not go away in the dark of night with the stroke of a pen. " I'm frankly not sure what she means--much of hte rest of the speach seems gibberish. You can read it here: http://howdtheyvote.ca/member-quotes.php?l=10&m=268&s=71

On Smith's 'breakdown', the Toronto Star, June 28, 2005, p. A10:

Yesterday's opening debate produced an outpouring of Biblical references, accusations, heated language and, in one case, tears on the floor of the Commons.

Manitoba Conservative MP Joy Smith broke down and cried, saying she wanted to save marriage in its traditional form for her daughter.

"If she decides one day to get married, she knows what that meaning will be ... between a man and a woman ... She will have that choice, it will not go away in the dark of night at the stroke of a pen."

Abortion

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In answering a survey in the 1999 provincial election, Smith demonstrated that she opposes government funding for abortion and would like to ban the over the counter sale of the morning after pill.

Is the source available online? (I'm wondering if this is one of the Lifesite's polls.) CJCurrie 18:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Origins?

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It says she is a member of the "Ukrainian-Canadian Parliamentary Group, [and] Jewish-Canadian Parliamentary Group.." does that mean she is of Jewish - Ukrainian extraction? Doesn't say anything about that in the intro. Anyone know? Kevlar67 16:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On her website is says she's going back to Ukraine and there's a picture of her cutting a ribbon on a Ukrainian Centre, so I'm going to take that as a sign, she's Ukrainian for sure though I still have no clue about the Jewish part. Kevlar67 16:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Joy is not Ukarinian, she her family is from Iceland and Scotland. Her District has alot of Jewish and Ukarinian people in it.

Do you have a source on that? And please sign your comments by typing four tildes (this thing ~) at the end of your last line. Kevlar67 00:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no source, although I will find one. I know this because she is a friend of mine, last year at an event she hosted she commented that her family is of Icelandic and Scottish heritage. If she was a Ukrainian she would most likely be Catholic or Orthodox, she is a Protestant. She is on the Ukrainian-Canadian group because her constancy has a large Ukrainian population. Also is their a source saying she is Ukrainian? Besides assumptions. ~ ~ ~ ~

Fair enough. No worries, I was just checking. BTW, the four tildes have to be back-to-back. And, thanks for disclosing that you are friends. You should now make sure to take extra care when editing this article, to take a neutral point of view. Adieu. Kevlar67 12:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

She is not Ukrainian. To hold this site to any standard you should need a source to prove a fact that is published, not prove something that is being published to be incorrect. You stated that you are taking the fact that she cut the ribbon at the Ukrainian Center as a sign that she is in fact Ukrainian. I am sure that Lloyd Axwrothy cut ribbons at the opening of the Asper Jewish Center in Winnipeg South Center when he was the MP; of course he is not Jewish. Your assumption is incorrect, you should remove her from the list of Ukrainian Canadians until you can prove that she is, not require proof to disprove your incorrect assumption. 24.66.94.140 03:31, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely right. Which is why I posed this on the talk page to begin with (I initiated this discussion remember). But since no one answered my inquiry, I was trying to work with the information that I had at hand. BTW, it wasn’t me who added her to the category! That was user:Can't sleep, clown will eat me. This is why we sign comments, people. But, since we now have claims to the contrary, from a supposedly privileged source, I don't intend to push the case any further, in lieu of any evidence either way. Au revoir.Kevlar67 12:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will not edit policy or subjective comments about Ms. Smith. I will however always correct faculty incorrect information.24.66.94.140 13:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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