Talk:Joshua Ryne Goldberg

Deletion proposal by User:Ribbet32

User:Ribbet32 added a deletion notice based on the following grounds: "concern = non-notable Internet troll, Wikipedia is not news and this barely made a ripple outside Florida"

Goldberg is indeed notable. He has been indicted for terrorism, which is something that most internet trolls are not. Furthermore, there are numerous stories including from the Guardian (UK), RT (Russia), Israel and Australia, as well as all over the United States, all covering his arrest. All of the citations are from sources outside Florida (except, arguably, the federal Criminal Complaint), so it is hard to see how a claim can be made that "this barely made a ripple outside Florida". As of now, there are 77,500 news articles on Google News when searching for "Joshua Ryne Goldberg". Given the fact that he allegedly claimed to have incited an attack that led to the deaths of 2 people in Texas, and could have resulted in many more makes him notable. He also was allegedly plotting attacks in Australia, and he was caught by the FBI allegedly plotting a vicious and violent attack in Missouri. His actions thus had widespread ramifications, and could have resulted in many deaths worldwide had he succeeded. If he is not notable, then neither are numerous other alleged terrorists whose plots failed, and whose biographies are on Wikipedia.

I therefore strongly object to the idea of a deletion, and I believe that, even in its current stub form, there is already plenty of justification for this article existing, and I have removed the notice.

Redfip (talk) 23:09, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

That guy got 20 years in jail for Internet trolling and tricked numerous people to act on his behalf, he is surely one of the most successful internet trolls to date. NikitaSadkov (talk) 11:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Delete this article?

After I contributed to this article and it got deleted, I found a section called BLP:CRIME that said there shouldn't be an article unless the person has been convicted. So according to that, this article should be deleted. Punstress (talk) 05:33, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

You can bring it up at Articles for Deletion if you want. clpo13_(talk) 05:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Thre is nothing in WP:BLPCRIME that says that an article cannot be created,Redfip (talk) 18:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

WP:BLPCRIME is a content guideline, I think maybe WP:CRIME is the policy that would be applicable. Artw (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

OMG my head just exploded. Is there a TL;DR? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punstress (talk • contribs) 08:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

update: Goldberg has been sent to Federal Medical Center, Butner for a 30-day psych eval on Sept. 15, 2015

Source: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2015-09-15/story/mental-evaluation-ordered-orange-park-terrorism-suspect -12.180.133.18 (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Some commentary on this over at Popehat (blog): [1] - it also notes that he has already essentially confessed. Artw (talk) 22:59, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The Hill

Another possible source, with some additional context: The real terrorist threat - Markos Moulitsas, The Hill Artw (talk) 23:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Use of criminal compliant as a source

I've removed it a few times. Per WP:BLPPRIMARY we cannot use it as a source in this article:

Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses.

I'm not really crazy about it as an external link, but I don't think there is any policy forbidding it. — Strongjam (talk) 22:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Restoring some content

I have restored some content deleted here and here. Markos Moulitsas is the editor of the Daiy Kos, The Hill is a Washington DC newspaper, Arthur Chu is a columnist for The Daily Beast and Salon and writes frequently on matters of online culture. TechCrunch is a technology news site. I beleive these to be well within the bounds of WP:RS and WP:BLP. Artw (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Opinion pieces on blogs are not reliable sources.

I have removed as a citation - Arthur Chu's opinion piece adds no additional information not found in the other cites, and seems to be just a rambling essay on his perception of the ills of the Internet. If anyone thinks they should revert, that essay introduces a number of Gamergate controversy characters who communicated with Goldberg, and all of them should be added to the article. Is that really a good idea? The most effectual Bob Cat (talk) 18:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I think it's entirely a good idea to name a hate group what they are a hate group. They inspired this monster so they should be named for being responsible for him in your heart you know it's the truth Udoks (talk) 04:42, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we require better sources than that for claims about living people. --Aquillion (talk) 03:22, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

References

Semi-Protected request

This article has come under vandalism and as such, needs to be protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.35.129.240 (talk) 15:45, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Page protection requests can be made at WP:RfPP. However, there doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the page so I doubt it would be protected. — Strongjam (talk) 15:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Update

Psychologist finds Orange Park man who plotted terrorist act to be mentally unstable - U.S. Magistrate Judge James Klindt said Thursday that Joshua Ryne Goldberg, 20, had been examined by Lisa Feldman of the federal detention center in Miami and Feldman found Goldberg to be “suffering from a mental disorder that significantly impairs his ability to understand what is happening.”

Klindt said a competency hearing for Goldberg would occur Dec. 14 with Feldman testifying. If Klindt is satisfied with Feldman’s conclusions, Goldberg is likely to be sent to a mental institution rather than face a trial.

Possibly we should wait till the 14th (tomorrow) before making any changes. Artw (talk) 17:15, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Religion/ethnicity out of lede

Rationale for my edits is in MOS:BLPLEAD:

Context (location or nationality);

• In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.
• Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.-- Y not? 18:51, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I'd have to agree "American Internet troll", or better yet, "US Internet troll" says more about who he is than "Jewish American man." Ribbet32 (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Did Goldberg have a Wikipedia account?

There was an account active about three years ago that shared a username with one of Goldberg's (relatively less controversial) personae. I was familiar with that persona's activities on reddit—we may well have talked once or twice—and it was quite clear to me at the time that it was the same individual. I'm not saying the name of that account here, because that would be a BLP issue backed up only by original research, but I'm wondering if anyone knows if, anywhere in all the indictments, evidence, news reports, etc., they mention Goldberg having had any accounts here? — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 12:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Be careful, such a line of questioning risks running a foul of WP:OUTING. ResultingConstant (talk) 20:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I know. That's why I'm being careful not to say the account's name. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 12:19, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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A Jewish Nazi... or a troll?

It seems strange that the article treats his fake Islamist and Feminist "personas" as trolling and then for some reason presents his Nazi personas as real. Is there any particular reason for this arbitrary presentation? Seems unlikely that a Jewish kid would be actually a Nazi, rather than simply trolling people. Ishbiliyya (talk) 02:08, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Lead does not talk about his other personalities

To give a full picture of this dude we need to know he also posed as a neo-nazi. Also the cat for this article are conflicting. He is pro-Jihadist, yet Alt-Right, He is Jihadist but critic of Islam. Maybe I am missing something. It is like he is Pro-Jewish but anti semitic. He cant be all things.

An interview regarding the subject was removed

Recently, a website that hosts an interview regarding JRG by someone who had trolled Reddit as a troll co-moderator of an intentionally controversial sub meant to host racial bait had been “depreciated” by RSN and @David Gerard: had removed the citation the other day. My problem with this is not based in any particular love or appreciation for the website in question, but rather that as an interview, it should probably be treated differently than other reporting from the source. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 16:20, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

The site is deprecated as completely untrustworthy for any claim whatsoever. If the interview was evidence worth noting, surely it would have been discussed in RSes - was it? - David Gerard (talk) 16:36, 19 November 2019 (UTC)