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Requested move 3 March 2019

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved by technical request. wbm1058 (talk) 22:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Jordan Archer (goalkeeper, born 1993) → Jordan Archer – The subject appears to be the primary topic. There are only two people called Jordan Archer: one is this footballer, who has played in 100+ league matches and in a full international; the other (Jordan Archer (forward, born 1993)) has played in one match between fully professional clubs. WP:2DABS also applies – it would surely be sufficient just to use a hatnote from this article to the other footballer. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 19:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - not the clear PRIMARYTOPIC; yes, the keeper has played in more matches than the forward, but PRIMARYTOPIC applies "if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term" which is not the case here. PRIMARYTOPIC is for properly famous people like Abraham Lincoln and JFK; it is not for two footballers. GiantSnowman 19:34, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In this case there is only one other topic. Therefore it is simply a question of whether one Jordan Archer is more well-known than the other, and how much so. "jordan+archer"+millwall&oq="jordan+archer"+millwall&aqs=chrome..69 "Jordan Archer" + Millwall has 36,800 search results, while "Jordan Archer" + Bury has 9,460. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As per Jmorrison230582, the goalkeeper is a clear Primary Topic. As there are 2 articles then a hatnote is more appropriate than a DAB page. Where does PRIMARYTOPIC say that it is only for really famous people? There are 2 people with the same name, one has 100+ incoming links, the other has about 2 in main space. Spike 'em (talk) 19:39, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There were 2 when I looked earlier, I guess he's been added to a squad template and now has a few more. Spike 'em (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support At the top of the international goalkeepers page should be a little note for the far less notable non-league forward of the same name (for the 1% who'd want to see his page.) TheLostBoy (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment disambiguation pages are designed for conflict when there are multiple people with the same name, not sure it's needed for just two people, if there was one more I would oppose. However name convention has not been addressed, should be goto month, year and not player position, year. Govvy (talk) 21:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If there's no consensus to have the goalkeeper as primary topic, I would prefer to disambiguate by playing position. It's more likely that people will know that one is a goalkeeper and the other is an outfield player (forward) than which month they were born in. Listing the year of birth is redundant, at least until there is another footballer called Jordan Archer. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All of the 40-odd games noted in the forward's infobox were played in non-league football. He's only (barely) notable because he played in one cup match between two league teams. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And the forward has now been moved back to draft space, so no need for disambiguation at present. Preparing the way for his possible debut would seem to be a case of WP:CRYSTAL. Spike 'em (talk) 12:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given the developments regarding the "other" Jordan Archer, I have listed this move at WP:RMT. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree this should be moved back given that this is currently the only 'Jordan Archer' in mainspace. GiantSnowman 13:11, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 4 September 2019

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: this title not moved, Jordan Archer (footballer, born 1993) -> moved to Jordan Archer (forward). An unusual circumstance here, given the discussion concerns two English footballers born in the same year, and discussion below made a compelling argument for using a more concise, if unusual disambiguator. For the moment, I've also re-targeted the footballer 1993 redirect to this location based on the primary topic argument made, but I'm not opposed to that being altered after this discussion if so desired. (closed by non-admin page mover). Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 07:15, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Jordan Archer → Jordan Archer (goalkeeper, born 1993) – To avoid confusion with Jordan Archer (footballer, born 1993). It's a pretty standard move but it has been opposed for some reason. EchetusXe 08:39, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 09:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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