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Johnny Appleseed was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
September 21, 2006	Good article nominee	Listed
October 27, 2009	Good article reassessment	Delisted

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New infobox image

I somehow actually got my hands on a real photograph of Johnny Appleseed. I couldn't find much information on it, so I had to infer some stuff. It was probably taken in the 1840s. But still, it’s a photograph, and we should probably use it for the lead image. Thoughts?

Considering the daguerreotype was introduced worldwide in 1839, it doesn't seem likely this would have been an actual photograph. Now it could be a drawing. The Image Editor (talk) 13:09, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be no provenance attached to this image. It's great if real, but I think it ought to go unless there is even a referenced suggestion that it might be of John Chapman. AndyI 16:13, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is widely acknowledged that there are no photos of John Chapman and that the earliest likeness published is the 1862 drawing. I would be eager to learn that this is incorrect and that a photo has actually been discovered, but I think that a pretty solid case would have to be made for its authenticity. So far, the photograph posted has been challenged (more than half a year ago) and no evidence has been offered to support it. So I have reverted the infobox back to the drawing, at least for the time being, lest misinformation get spread from Wikipedia (I see that some people have already copied the photo with its label) I would be excited to see the photo put back if it can be authenticated. Stephendcole (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does not match the drawings in the Fort Wayne historical society display. The first pictures known to have been taken in Fort Wayne were taken in 1849. That would be 4 years after his death. The likely hood of your picture being Johnny Appleseed is ZERO.

I did some digging. The oldest copy of this image on the internet, according to Tin Eye, is this. It's a John Chapman, all right, but one born in Georgia in 1811.

TL/DR: Fake. -- Rei (talk) 22:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chapman's Nationality

@Thrakkx: It looks like you removed "American" as Chapman's nationality from the info box. Just wondering if there was some doubt as to his citizenship? Kthapelo (talk) 22:24, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is no doubt. We omit the nationality in the infobox when it can be reasonably determined from the person's country of birth. Even though we use the strange convention of listing British America as his birth country, it's obvious to the reader that Appleseed is American, so we don't list it in the infobox. Thrakkx (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thrakkx: Thank you for the reply. I wasn't aware of the convention you mentioned and had gone off on a research tangent. I was trying to pin down primary documents about Chapman's birth; it turns out there are some incredible digitized documents like Chapman's name in the United States census in 1800. Kthapelo (talk) 06:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The correct term would be the British colonies of America. After the revolutionary war the United States of America. Never was such a thing called British America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:A004:F190:7920:2CE8:4767:E02A (talk) 14:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

Due to several unproductive IP edits within the past few days, I have requested protection for this article. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:23, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

British America? No such thing.

He was born at the MASS Bay colony. 2600:1015:A000:8DA6:475F:181C:E62B:DDE (talk) 21:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]