Talk:John Pulman

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
July 3, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed
September 10, 2023	Guild of Copy Editors	Copyedited
April 27, 2024	Featured article candidate	Promoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 26, 2020. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that snooker player John Pulman* obliterated a rival's branding from his own cue?*
A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on December 25, 2023.
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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

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Nationality

Why is this guy's nationality listed as English when he's British? Wattersd 17:05, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are regarded as separate nations in many sports, snooker being one of them. One reason for this is that so many of the top snooker players are from the UK. --Auximines 18:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

England's subjugation by Scotland does not mean it is not a nation, just as Poland's subjugation by Russia in the 19th century did not mean that Poland was not a nation at that time. Alex Middleton (talk) 19:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced info

I've removed or hidden the following info from the articles as I was unable to verify it. Please add back in if a reliable source can be found. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Career Prize money (Possibly £11,401)
High break: Article said 130 (1975 Canadian Open); Kobylecky source says Pulman had a 133 break in the 1953 world semi-final.
Century breaks: Kobylecky source lists 13 centuries at the World Championship.
"He remained the lead commentator for ITV until the sport was dropped by the channel in 1992."

GOCE copy edit

@BennyOnTheLoose: I have completed my copy edit. The prose is in good shape, but I have a few comments:

Is there anything more about his personal life other than his early childhood and divorce? If so, that information should be added or this won't pass the comprehensiveness criterion of FA.
Titles in citations require consistent capitalization per MOS:CONFORMTITLE. I leave the choice of capitalization scheme to you.
Some of the book cites use and others do not. For consistency of citation style, I would switch those that do not to using .
I cannot find this source: "The Complete International Directory of Snooker Players – 1927 to 2018". Neither the ISBN nor its title return any hits.
"Pulman had been touring snooker clubs as promotional work for the tobacco brand John Player" - I left a {{when}} tag on this.

voorts (talk/contributions) 18:44, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for that, voorts. I'll certainly address those points before making a FAC nomination. The Complete International Directory of Snooker Players – 1927 to 2018 is effectively a WP:SELFPUBLISHed source that used to be available via Snooker Scene, but I think I have a good case that work by Kobylecky is acceptable as an SPS. I might look at alternative sources anyway, to avoid the need to discuss it. I'll also probably change to sfn references for the books, as this looks tider IMO. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]