Talk:John Plankinton

John Plankinton was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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October 3, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed
February 26, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 31, 2017. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that "Merchant Prince and Princely Merchant" John Plankinton built a mansion (pictured) as a wedding gift for his daughter Elizabeth, but she refused to live in it because her fiancé Richard Henry Park* ran off with a dancer?*
A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on March 18, 2020.
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Newspaper article "Plankinton and his proteges" from 12 April 1928 in the Milwaukee Journal. EdChem (talk) 03:15, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Newspaper article "John Plankinton and his hotel" from 16 July 1911 in the Milwaukee Free Press. EdChem (talk) 03:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:John Plankinton/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 04:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Commencing review

Well written: the prose is clear and concise.
Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction – not applicable.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation – not applicable.
Complies with the MOS guidelines for use of quotations.
All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided.
All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc.
Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline.
No original research.
No copyright violations or plagiarism.
Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style.
Neutral.
Stable.
Illustrated, if possible.
Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright.

Hello, Doug. I'll be reviewing all the Plankinton articles within the current GAN Backlog Drive and will use the checklist above to register progress. Hope to provide some feedback soon. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On hold

An interesting article but quite a lot of points have arisen. I've checked some of the criteria above and am leaving the rest open for now.

The lead is somewhat disjointed and out of sequence. The third paragraph is a single sentence. I suggest a rewrite along these lines so that the essential points are in paragraph 1; a career summary in 2; and then his benevolent activities in 3:

John Plankinton (March 11, 1820 – March 29, 1891) was an American businessman based in Milwaukee. He began as a butcher for the general store he was operating downtown and became a meatpacking industrialist, later expanding his interests into railroading and banking.

Plankinton was the city's leading meat packer after his first year in the grocery business. He expanded this business and eventually became acquainted with the meatpacking industrialist Philip D. Armour, forming a company with him that lasted for 20 years. Plankinton founded the Plankinton Bank, which became the leading bank of Milwaukee in his lifetime, and was involved in the development of the Milwaukee City Railroad Company, an electric railway.

He is noted for expansive real estate developments in Milwaukee, including the luxurious Plankinton House Hotel designed as an upscale residence for the wealthy. He was a generous philanthropist. He donated the land for the construction of the Perseverance Presbyterian church and helped to create and maintain a soup kitchen for the poor. He also financed the construction of the first Milwaukee public library.

Done Lead issues addressed, slightly different than suggested. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is it correct to use a term like "downtown" for 19th century Milwaukee, depending on its size and layout at that time?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Soup kitchen" is stated in the lead without a link and then linked with a pipe to soup house in the narrative. Best to use soup kitchen, linked without piping, in both places.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Optional, really, but it is usual to put (née Johnson) in brackets. Have done that.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Link first instance of Milwaukee in the narrative.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pittsburg is ambiguous – need to specify.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please check the link to SS Great Western as that is Brunel's ocean-going steamer.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amend ... with a friend that had already moved ... to ... with a friend who had already moved ...

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Civil war demand – presumably from the Union Army?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It expanded their facilities by branching out into Chicago and Kansas City. This sentence should begin with "They", like the next one.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Armour continued with the branch firms. Is "branch firms" an understood term in the US? Was it still one company with three branches or three separate companies?

Done Yes, "branch firms" is an understood common term in the US meaning one company with three branches.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cudahy Brothers Company is a redlink. No need to delink but probably preferable to do so if an article is unlikely to be created.

Done - Likely an article WILL BE created on this someday. There are 600 newspaper articles on it in Newspapers.com. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is "later-named" a recognised US term, using the hyphen?

Done - Removed hyphen. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When Milwaukee incorporated as a city. Should that be: When Milwaukee was incorporated as a city?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He did promoting of the events should be He promoted the events.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As a general point, I'm seeing Plankinton's name rather a lot in starting sentences. A copyedit should be done to replace some of these with "He".

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect use of apostrophe in the sheriff seized the Lappen companys' stores. If the apostrophe is correct (more than one company), then "companys" should be "companies".

Done - companies' stores --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the relevance to a biography of John Plankinton of events at the bank after his death. I think the "Associated businesses" section should end with The bank grew into the leading bank in Milwaukee, but was forced to seek new investors following Plankinton's death. Everything else should be moved into William Plankinton as he was involved.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would put "née Brachein" into brackets or, given context, omit "née". Same applies to Anna née Bradford.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove brackets from ...he had a son (William) and two daughters (Hannah, Elizabeth Ann). His eldest daughter (Hannah) died... Try: he had a son, William, and two daughters, Hannah and Elizabeth Ann. His eldest daughter Hannah died...

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amend he turned in a parkland to he turned into a parkland.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Plankinton also built a mansion for his daughter in 1886–87 at a cost of $150,000 (equivalent to $3.9 million in 2019). when she was engaged to Richard Henry Park. There is a rogue full stop in the middle of this. Should it say "after she became engaged"?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1881-1927 should use an endash to separate.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that Fall and Spring have uppercase initials: is that usual in US?

Done corrected. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In "Personal life", there is "board" in one sentence and "Board" in the next. Again, which is usual in US?

Done corrected. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He and his business associates brought about the meat packing industry of the Midwest. What does "brought about" mean in this context?

Done - used "established" instead. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Layton Art Gallery, to whom should be "to which".

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin Meat Industry Hall of Frame. Hall of Fame?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As Plankinton and Armour were obviously leaders of the meatpacking industry in Wisconsin, did they ultimately influence the naming of the Green Bay Packers? If so, that might be worth a mention in the legacy piece.

Working --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done - couldn't find a connection of Plankinton and Armour. However, they are connected to the Cudahy Brothers as this reference shows. That probably might go in the potential article on Cudahy Brothers Company. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm placing the review on hold for now. There's no rush as I don't insist on a seven-day deadline. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@No Great Shaker: All issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Passed

Hello again, Doug. This is absolutely fine and I'm promoting the article to GA. I would say that it could be worth taking a shot at FAC with this. If you ever do, please let me know and I'll be happy to take part. Great work. Well done again. All the best and keep safe. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]