Talk:John Lutz (mystery writer)

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Requested move 14 March 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. DrKiernan (talk) 08:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

John Lutz → John Lutz (mystery writer) (Or John Lutz (literature writer))
John Lutz (television writer) → John Lutz

– Because ~~his~~ the mystery writer's birth year is unverifiable, I removed the birth year, so "John Lutz (writer, born 19xx)" is impossible at this time. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 01:52, 22 March 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 08:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~. There appear to be two John Lutzes. Thus WP:TWODABS applies. No need to disambiguate both articles. The current hatnote gets people to the other John Lutz. Dohn joe (talk) 19:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But this person is not the primary person of the same name. His significance and popularity doesn't outmatch the other as far as I can see. --George Ho (talk) 19:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any evidence to back up that feeling? Dohn joe (talk) 19:50, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mystery writer and TV writer. TV writer bio is more viewed than the other. Bing and Google. --George Ho (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok - thanks. That is pretty convincing. If you propose moving the other one to the plain name, I would support both moves. Dohn joe (talk) 20:56, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed this proposal on your behalf. George Ho (talk) 21:04, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support amended proposal. Dohn joe (talk) 21:20, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there is a third topic, a company, John F. Lutz Furniture Co. & Funerary; a disambiguation page can be created. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That would be a partial title match. It was also only viewed 163 times in the last three months. It could be included in a dab page, but shouldn't affect the WP:TWODABS situation. Dohn joe (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The namesake of the company is not PTM, so would be a subtopic of the company article, though little of that is in the article. He nevertheless was the furniture maker that the company was based upon. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
According to http://www.lutzfuneralhome.com/history/fivegenerations/ , there have been three John Lutzes associated with the company, but none is notable enough for a standalone article. No such user (talk) 11:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Creat dab at baseline John Lutz (disambiguation) no primary John Lutz → John Lutz (mystery writer) okay In ictu oculi (talk) 18:21, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What evidence do you have for your feeling that there is no primarytopic here? It seems clear that the article on the tv writer is where most of our readers want to go. Dohn joe (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Who said it was a "feeling"? I said "no primary John Lutz" this indicates that I followed the criteria for primary topic set out in the guideline. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay - would you please explain for the rest of us which criteria you used and how they indicate no primarytopic to you? Dohn joe (talk) 16:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I added the referenced date of birth for the mystery author, but (mystery writer) still seems like a better dab. While the situation is not clear-cut (the mystery writer is prolific, but not as famous), per WP:TWODABS and evidence presented by George & Dohn, the other Lutz should go to the base page name. Plus, there is a difficulty selecting a proper disambiguator for him otherwise – he's more than a (television writer). No such user (talk) 11:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.