Talk:John Gurney (bass-baritone)

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Did you know... that Metropolitan Opera star John Gurney performed "The Star-Spangled Banner" for sporting events in which his son, racing driver Dan Gurney, competed?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Dan Gurney

... that Metropolitan Opera star John Gurney is the father of racing driver Dan Gurney (pictured)? Source: Frank Litsky (January 15, 2018). "Dan Gurney, Driver and Builder of Racecars, Is Dead at 86". The New York Times.)

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gerd Ruge

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article meets newness, length, and referencing requirements. I didn't find any close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. The hook is interested and cited inline. I only have one minor issue with the article: I'm not sure if it's appropriate to describe Dan as "famous" in the article text per WP:WTA. Once that is resolved the nomination is good to go. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't say a word about the image, and I think to define a person almost only by his famous son is not a great idea, but then to picture the son makes it misleading. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After copy-editing: If we really have to go the son-line (and admitting, his roles aren't too impressive, - do we really need to mention Pinellino who sings about three lines in Gianni Schicchi, TFA-to-be on 14 December?), how about saying that the father sang the anthem for his son's racing events? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a good idea. @4meter4: Can you propose a hook based on the "singing at his son's races" fact? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ Narutolovehinata5 and Gerda Arendt Sure. Alt1 ... that Metropolitan Opera star John Gurney performed the "The Star-Spangled Banner" for sporting events in which his son, racing driver Dan Gurney (pictured), competed?4meter4 (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that's much better. AGF for the NYT source since I don't want to trigger the paywall, this should be good to go. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, I'm not sure why you brought up Schicchi or Pinellino in this discussion considering neither have anything to do with the subject. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:22, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Narutolovehinata5 It is off topic for DYK; although it is mentioned in the article as one the roles he performed at the Met. I gave a complete list of roles which to my mind gives the best picture of his Met career which was some larger roles like Abimélech, Colonel Morgan, Ferrando, King Heinrich, and Ramfis, and then a bunch of small to mid sized parts. He was clearly used in comprimario parts much of the time, but given a few opportunities to be the star.4meter4 (talk) 14:32, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P2 without image