Talk:John Goldmark

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A fact from John Goldmark appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 June 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that John Goldmark brought a libel suit that did "to the Red Scare what the Scopes monkey trial had ... done to Creationism"?

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The result was: promoted by Evrik (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that John Goldmark brought a libel suit that "[did] to the Red Scare what the Scopes monkey trial had... done to Creationism"? Source: Scott, Kelli (January 18, 2019). "The legacy of John E. Goldmark". The Wenatchee World. Retrieved April 29, 2023.
- ALT1: ... that John Goldmark's support of the American Civil Liberties Union led to accusations of Communism? Source: Kershner, Jim (July 22, 2011). "Goldmark, John E. (1917-1979)". HistoryLink. Retrieved April 29, 2023.
- ALT2: ... that a false accusation that John Goldmark was "a tool of a monstrous conspiracy" led to his son's murder twenty years later? Source: Kershner, Jim (July 13, 2010). "Former state representative John Goldmark wins $40,000 (later overturned) in a libel case against four individuals and a newspaper that had called him a Communist "tool," on January 22, 1964". HistoryLink. Retrieved April 29, 2023.
  Gardner, James Ross (October 15, 2018). "A Rumor in Madrona". Seattle Met. Retrieved April 29, 2023.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/On Patrol: Live
- Comment: I have no preference on the hooks, I've just provided a few options.

Created by Sammielh (talk). Self-nominated at 13:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Goldmark; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Reviewing. jengod (talk) 22:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

I'd say everything was fine and that this was approved for any of the three hooks, with a personal preference for ALT1 because of its simplicity, and because it's less terrifying than ALT2, but I'm a bit concerned with the earwig result that suggests this biography leans heavily on https://www.historylink.org/File/9858 - everything is sourced and there's nothing egregious, but I don't feel familiar enough with the nuances of our current policies to wave this through on my own authority. I'm going to hand this review off to someone else with more experience and pick up another item for my QPQ. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia and sorry I couldn't be more efficient about this! jengod (talk) 02:26, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jengod: Thanks for taking a look at this and no worries about not feeling comfortable signing off on it. I've added additional sources and tried to reduce the reliance on the HistoryLink source and I am happy to try to continue to do so if requested by a new reviewer. The earwig score is high due to common phrases and quotes but I've tried to reword things where I can. Sammielh (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammielh: If this is indeed your fifth nomination as you indicated in the nom, then per WP:DYK, you need to provide a QPQ starting with this one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Apologies, I thought it was any nominations after your fifth nomination that required a QPQ. I have just done one. Sammielh (talk) 11:11, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer here. I'm a bit uncomfortable with the 40% copyvio on earwig. I understand that most of it is direct quotations, but I think you should reword some stuff to get that down to 32% at most. Here are some possibilities:

His uncle was the Supreme Court justice Louis Brandeis → His uncle was Louis Brandeis, a Supreme Court justice
While there, he met Irma "Sally" Ringe → While working there, he met his future wife Irma "Sally" Ringe
They relocated first to White Salmon, Washington, where he worked for an orchardist and a second child, Peter, was born in 1946 → They relocated first to White Salmon, Washington, where he worked for an orchardist and where, in 1964, their second child Peter was born.

I'll leave the rest to you. Here's the earwig link if you want to compare. I'm marking QPQ as done. I also prefer ALT1. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:04, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Festucalex: Thanks for taking a look at this. I've gotten earwig down to 30.1%, please let me know if you'd like me to make any other changes. Sammielh (talk) 18:44, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. ALT1 preferred. 〜 Festucalex • talk 18:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]