Talk:John Braham (tenor)

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Burial

There seems to be some confusion on where Braham was buried- both the Brompton Cemetery [1] and Kensal Green Cemetery [2] websites list him as a resident. I can only assume he was cremated and he has a memorial in both??? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 16:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Birth: According to this website, John Braham was bord in Goodman's Fields (off Leman Street, whitechapel) http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=40575 Nearby is "Braham Street". Is the street named after the opera singer? Ogg 12:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry guys, when I look at the above ref it has no mention of Goodmans Fields. It would be surprising if anyone knew where Braham was born, no-one even knows who his parents were. He was definitively not cremated, and his family papers in the Somerset Record Office in Taunton, (which I have inspected) give his burial place as Kensal Green.--Smerus 14:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So why are Brompton listing him as a resident do you think? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 19:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cashing in on celebrity status, no doubt.....--Smerus 19:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following text: "John Braham, the founder of the St. James's Theatre, was born in Goodman's Fields in about 1774; his parents, who died soon afterwards, were German Jews. Through an introduction to Leoni Lee, a celebrated singer of the time, he became known for the beauty of his soprano voice, and in 1787 he appeared as 'Master Abram, pupil of Leoni' at the Royalty Theatre in Wellclose Square, Stepney. As a tenor he first appeared at Drury Lane in 1796; after several years on the Continent he returned to England in 1801 with his reputation as a singer already secure. He subsequently amassed enough money to enable him in 1831 to purchase a share in the Colosseum, Regent's Park." comes from this website: British History. Near Goodman's Fields is Leman Street. I have a map of the area from the late nineteenth century, which shows a street nearby called "Nelson street". Nelson Street has been extended and renamed, now called "Braham Street". The name is so unusual, and the closeness to Goodman's Fields make me wonder whether it has been changed from "Nelson Street" to "Braham Street" in honour of John Braham. Ogg 18:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That may well be the case- I think it is in Tower Hamlets - Tower Hamlets local studies would be likely to know the answer. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 00:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The interesting citation given above by Ogg is inaccurate in many respects - but I agree with Ogg's suggestion that Braham street may have been renamed in the singer's honour. I will try to follow this up when I am back in the UK.--Smerus 09:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The original source of the citation seems to be W. Macqueen Pope, St. James's, Theatre of Distinction, 1958, pp. 19–25: I shall consult it.--Smerus 09:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

– No clear primary topic. The tenor's article gets less pageviews than that of the decorated RAF officer of the same name and he is not of demonstrably greater significance either. Better to disambiguate in this case. PC78 (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Based on stats, no WP:PTOPIC wrt usage. And sure the RAF officer is more recent by 100 years and change, but I don't see a strong argument for calling the tenor primary wrt long-term significance. Colin M (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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