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2005 - present?

I'm not sure whether the recent edit changing the section about Doctor Who to 2005-present is the right way of doing it. After all, Captain Jack has not appeared in the show since 2010 (I believe) so this could be confusing or misleading, perhaps implying him to be a more regular character than he has been. Thoughts anyone? Pinkalotk (talk) 00:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pinkalotk: I'd personally list it something similar to how we did at List of David Tennant performances when he returned for the 50th so put 2005, 07–08, 10, 20 instead of 2005–present. Although could the argument could be brought up it's not listed like that everywhere: Billie Piper, Noel Clarke, etc. don't use that format. At an absolute minimum perhaps I'd go with 2005–10, 20 to separate the ten year gap. TheDoctorWho ^{(Happy Christmas!)} 02:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree, he's not been on the show in all that time, so I think it's wrong to format it as 2005-present. I've changed it in the article. Thanks. Pinkalotk (talk) 03:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual misconduct allegations vs Allegations of misconduct

Indecent exposure (exposing one’s genitals) falls under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, and as such is a sexual misconduct.. allegation. Based on the number of times it has happened and the reliable sourcing of such, this was not a single event, but a long–standing issue with the subject.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 19:17, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The heading of this section was changed in May to "Sexual Misconduct Allegations" from "Allegations of Misconduct" which is more neutral and allows readers to come to their own conclusion about the events that are being described in the section.

John Barrowman has always openly admitted to lewd and bawdy behavior with his co-stars on set and there was never any allegation that these incidents were at all sexualized in nature. Use of the term "Sexual Misconduct" directly invites comparisons with the odious behavior of men in power who have sought to leverage their influence to procure sexual favors etc. This was absolutely not the case here - and use of the expression ( however legally / technically literal ) creates a fully misleading and exaggerated impression of the nature of what transpired.

When so many other well known figures in the media have openly described behaving in exactly the same manner on sets without being labelled as sexual predators, the treatment meted out to John Barrowman begins to look like targeted bullying... 47.158.22.247 (talk) 19:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with user:Loriendrew here. It is is sexual because it involves his genitals. No matter the intent behind it, it is simply more precise to describe it as sexual misconduct. To be honest, since he has addressed and confirmed it, I would be keen to take out the word allegations and just leave it as sexual misconduct. Nauseous Man (talk) 20:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that he has "confirmed" sexual misconduct - in fact quite the opposite, and not one single person has come forward to say they ever felt targeted or intimidated. All of the direct witnesses have described the atmosphere on set as one of hilarity.

This was all so overblown and sensationalized in the British tabloids that people seem to imagine there must be 'more to the story' and have filled in the gaps with their own imaginations. In fact this behaviour was NOT repeated on other productions and was never described by any of the people who were actually there as at all sexualized in nature.

Somebody took it upon themselves to quite unnecessarily and provocatively insert the word "Sexual" into the heading of this section back in May and I don't think that is fair, balanced or objective.

I'd like to respectfully request that the title revert to the more neutral former stance "Allegations of Misconduct" 47.158.22.247 (talk) 20:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting proposal

I propose that the section about Barrowman's performances (filmography and Theatre and concerts) be split into a separate page called List of John Barrowman performances. The content of the section takes up a significant amount of space and is large enough to to make its own page. While not everything is sourced, I plan to attach a source to every performance that I can find. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a good idea. Lotsw73 (talk) 12:29, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @OlifanofmrTennant: I will ping a couple of WP:WikiProject Doctor Who editors to see if they can respond to this proposal:

@Redrose64, @Rhain, @U-Mos, @Alex 21, @JacobTheRox, @Pokelego999, @OliveYouBean, @Foxx247

(sighs exhaustedly): Right, that should do it. Lotsw73 (talk) 06:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]