Talk:Jimmy Carter/Archive 8

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 February 2024

Former President Carter passed away on May 20, 2023, which is a significant development in his life's story. Sources are many, but here's one: https://thepoliticswatcher.com/pages/articles/white-house/2023/5/21/president-jimmy-carter-passes-98 Fekauffman (talk) 22:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please include reliable sources for edit requests. This doesn't appear reliable at all and no major media outlets ever reported that Carter was dead. Philipnelson99 (talk) 22:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

@Fekauffman:, I seriously worry for the future of humanity when people like yourself can't spot AI written articles and/or fake news articles intentionally designed to mislead. If President Carter had died, his Wikipedia article would be updated within 30 seconds of any official announcement. --Jkaharper (talk) 22:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your high estimation of my abilities of discernment, but the better explanation of what happened here is Mandela effect + confirmation bias.

Someone IRL stated something current(ish) about Carter, and I was either remembering Carter entering hospice as memory of his passing, or just jumping to "Surely, he would have died by now [if he hadn't already]," given that he had entered hospice more than a minute ago. Then, I was already postured to find an article apparently supporting that. That is its own thing, but relevant is my coming here to see that the Jimmy Carter heading didn't seem to reflect this, I offered the edit (though I would not have edited if the page were unlocked-- why I'd see a difference is a matter for my therapist). Fekauffman (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This just reenforces Jkaharper's worry. As they noted, it is inconceivable that this article would have gone 9 months without mention of the subject's death. 2600:8802:5913:1700:2140:9628:326:F395 (talk) 12:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2024

Jimmy Carter did not graduate from the Naval Academy. He is from the class of 1947. I work at the Naval Academy and confirm 100% 136.160.90.31 (talk) 22:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 22:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Why in the world would you think that your anonymous comment would have any weight? 2600:8802:5913:1700:2140:9628:326:F395 (talk) 12:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 April 2024

please add how jimmy carter pardoned convicted child rapist peter yarrow at the very end of his presidency. he is the only president in history to pardon a child rapist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Yarrow#Criminal_conviction_and_pardon NotQualified (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

how do i establish a consensus without posting to the talk page NotQualified (talk) 14:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

No one said anything about not posting to the talk page.

You could start by proposing neutral language supported by references to reliable sources. Notably, Yarrow was not convicted of rape. 2600:8802:5913:1700:2140:9628:326:F395 (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

neutral language:

"Jimmy Carter pardoned Peter Yarrow, a convicted child molester, near the end of his term" NotQualified (talk) 18:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

what consensus even needs to be gathered, it's objective fact NotQualified (talk) 14:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

How is it WP:DUE for this article? What sources and what text are you proposing to add? Since it does not appear that he was convicted of rape, your initial request was objectively false. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

depends if you consider forcing minors to masturbate you rape or not. he is a child molester, is that fair assessment? NotQualified (talk) 18:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I see that it's covered in Peter Yarrow's article. Again, how is this due for Jimmy Carter's article? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

how is it not? NotQualified (talk) 19:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended protected

Why is this article extended protected? Dell Latitude E6400 (talk) 03:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

According to the protection log it was increased from semi protection in December 2023 due to "death hoax edits" which is reflected by the article history and many of the talk page edit requests that were made since the protection was increased. - Aoidh (talk) 04:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 May 2024

change "Carter speaks on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Recorded January 4, 1980" to "Carter speaks on the Iran Hostage Crisis. Recoded January 4, 1980" 182.255.32.12 (talk) 10:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: He only speaks about the Iran Hostage Crisis at the start. The bulk of the speech, starting from about 1:16, is about the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. The title of the speech itself in the archives is also "January 4, 1980: Speech on Afghanistan". Liu1126 (talk) 11:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thoughts on FA

@Informant16, ExcellentWheatFarmer, and BrownHairedGirl: since you guys are the main editors, have you thought about bringing it to Featured Article status and have it appear as WP:TFA for his 100th birthday? 750h+ 06:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 June 2024

Please remove the claim that "his name recognition was two percent" as the reference does not back that and I cannot find an alternate source that says 2 percent (there are some that say 1 percent and some that say 5 to 6).

If one wants to keep the gist that his name recognition was very low change the sentence to something like " His name recognition was quite low, with his opponents derisively asking "Jimmy Who?" "

Also, the archive link seems to be down for the citation? I'm seeing: "Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine." when I click it. GrapesRock (talk) 18:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done for the moment. Professor Penguino (talk) 03:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Typo edit request

Under post presidency, 4th paragraph in the diplomacy section, there's a bit that reads "...while saying he was supported the country" if someone could fix that would be great. Scramblescram (talk) 18:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I removed the word "was". DanCherek (talk) 15:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2024

Place "Carter is the most recent Democrat president to have served in the military" as the last sentence in Naval Career section. Sean 2015 (talk) 13:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Without offering an opinion as to whether or not this is warranted in the article, the adjective form is "Democratic", not "Democrat," and should be used if this suggestion is implemented. PianoDan (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 06:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

More pics?

Isn't there any free picture(s) from Carter's childhood, adolescence, and youth to use in this GA article? Cf. especially other contemporary US presidents and also Carter's wife Rosalynn Carter. – Hamid Hassani (talk) 06:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

his death?

I've seen reports that he has passed. Any confirmation? Hector770 (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Multiple reports, however still unconfirmed by major national or international news sources, but that could change quickly either way. --VViking_TalkEdits 15:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

The post circulating was intentionally faked and designed as a social experiment. Jimmy Carter is still alive and is in hospice care. James G Thorn (talk) 15:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

At least one local ABC affiliate picked it up, realized their mistake, and took it down. Wild times, innit? Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 15:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@James G Thorn ya I just saw that. Hector770 (talk) 15:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope,[1] a similar thing happened to Noam Chomsky about a month ago. Maurnxiao (talk) 17:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

And here's a study of the phenomenon: 'Death by Twitter'. Donald Albury 17:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Israel and Palestine

Israel and Palestine. --- In that section it is not as clear here as it could be that Carter's use of the term "apartheid" applies to the extra-national occupied territories such as the West Bank, and not to Israel proper --- "Former US President Jimmy Carter wrote the 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. His use of the term "apartheid" was calibrated to avoid specific accusations of racism against the government of Israel, and carefully limited to the situation in Gaza and the West Bank. In a letter to the Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix, Carter made clear that he was not discussing the circumstances within Israel but exclusively within Gaza and the West Bank.[42] In a 2007 interview, he said: "Apartheid is a word that is an accurate description of what has been going on in the West Bank, and it's based on the desire or avarice of a minority of Israelis for Palestinian land. It's not based on racism...This is a word that's a very accurate description of the forced separation within the West Bank of Israelis from Palestinians and the total domination and oppression of Palestinians by the dominant Israeli military." The material in quotes is taken from the Wikipedia entry on Israel and apartheid. 2600:1017:B125:B126:7CE3:3FA6:9312:286A (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

It seems pretty clear to me. The very first sentence in that section says, "Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, a New York Times Best Seller book, published in 2006, generated controversy for characterizing Israel's policies in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip as amounting to apartheid." Do you have a proposed change you'd like to see, with a source? GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Genocide without a source

I've already reverted this once, but per BLP policy I think we need to immediately remove the statement that Carter supported genocide until a source citation is provided.

Also per WP:LEAD this needs to be stated and sourced in the body of the article, not in the lead, although it can be summarized there. GA-RT-22 (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

The sources for Carter's support for the Indonesian government even as it committed a genocide are in the lead section. No, Carter probably wasn't jumping around in jubilation at the sight of the victims, but he made the realpolitik decision to support the regime as it carried out such atrocities. Maurnxiao (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Lead section, which starts with The lead section should summarise with due weight the life and works of the person. When writing about controversies in the lead section of a biography, relevant material should neither be suppressed nor allowed to overwhelm: always pay scrupulous attention to reliable sources, and make sure the lead correctly reflects the entirety of the article. The decision as to whether an item in the body of the article has sufficient weight to be included in the lead is subject to discussion by interested editors, and, if questioned, there must be a consensus to include it. You should have opened a discussion here the first time you were reverted, if you still wanted to add that item to the lead. You do seem to be on a campaign to add contentious material to the leads of articles about famous leaders. The need to seek consensus for adding any item to the lead if anyone has objected applies to all of those articles, and particular so to any article about a living or recently deceased person. If you continue to add controversial items to leads without a consensus to so, you may, and likely will, become subject to sanctions on your editing. Donald Albury 14:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)