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Authorship

I have found conflicting information on the authorship of this piece. Though an overwhelming majority of sources attribute it to Quirino Mendoza y Cortez, a small number of sources state that it was written by Manuel Esperon and Ernesto Cortazar. Esperon and Cortazar's IMDB pages list them as the authors of the piece, but only for the film "The Three Caballeros" (Meanwhile, Quirino Mendoza's IMDB page lists him as the author of the piece for multiple other films). These are the only sources I could find besides IMDB that attribute the piece to Esperon and/or Cortazar:

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/Manuel_Esperon_99_composed_Three_Caballeros_P111748/ (Only mentions Esperon)

http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/DetailView.aspx?s=1&Movie=722 (Mentions both Esperon and Cortazar)

http://music.aol.ca/song/101-strings-orchestra/jesusita-en-chihuahua/808987 (Attributes it solely to Cortazar)

http://music.aol.com/song/101-strings-orchestra/jesusita-en-chihuahua/2594171 (Attributes it solely to Cortazar)

http://music.aol.com/song/silvestre-vargas/jesusita-en-chihuahua/11390026 (Attributes it to Cortazar and Quirino Mendoza)

As this piece was almost definately written in 1916 and since Manuel Esperon wasn't born until 1911, it seems almost impossible that he could have written it. Ernesto Cortazar would have been about 19 when the piece was written (He was born in 1897), making it highly unlikely (but not impossisible), that he wrote it. I don't know why they are listed as the authors of "Jesusita en Chihuahua" in the above sources, but it may be a mistake due to their collaboration on the 1942 film named after the piece. "Jesusita en Chihuahua" is incorporated into the score for that film and Manuel Esperon is listed as the film's composer. Though Ernesto Cortazar is not listed as contributing to the music for that film (He is listed as a screenwriter) this could possibly be a mistake or people may have incorrectly assumed that he did as he frequently collaborates with Esperon. Perhaps people have incorrectly assumed that they wrote the piece when really they (Probably only Esperon) only did an arrangement of it.

One other thought is that since Ernesto Cortazar was a lyricist he may have written lyrics to the melody of "Jesusita en Chihuahua" at some point. While most versions of this piece are purely instrumental, versions with lyrics have occasionally been featured in films. The lyrics featured in these films were almost definately not a part of the original composition and were most likely written specifically for the films in which they are used. While I am not aware of any film for which Ernesto Cortazar wrote lyrics to the piece, it could be possible and might explain why he is credited more often than Manuel Esperon.

There are also two sources which list the piece as being traditional:

http://www.cockmanfamily.com/john/jesse_polka/jesse_polka.pdf

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Jesusita-en-Chihuahua/3776

I am not sure, but this may simply be due to the fact that all of Quirino Mendoza y Cortez's songs are in the public domain, as there was no copyright law in Mexico when he wrote them.

One further complication is that according to the poster on this site (http://forodeespanol.com/Archive/LetraJesusitaChihuahua/dbrqr/post.htm), some sources state that "Jesusita en Chihuahua" was written by Martin Robles in 1895 under the title "Virginia". I have only been able to find one source saying this, seen here - (http://books.google.com/books?id=nbCZdCO5Y9QC&pg=PA327&lpg=PA327&dq=Jesusita+en+Chihuahua+Martin+Robles&safe=strict&source=bl&ots=3WGmR7J8id&sig=JD-Xdt32j6EjBeO6EJF3Q2U5gCg&hl=en&ei=YbfPTuaWA4n30gHR2oU6&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Jesusita%20en%20Chihuahua%20Martin%20Robles&f=false)

Due to the large majority of sources attributing the piece solely to Quirino Mendoza y Cortez and the lack of many sources attributing it to Manuel Esperon, Ernesto Cortazar, or Martin Robles, I decided to attribute the piece solely to Quirino Mendoza y Cortez in this article; however if anybody has further information to share on this topic please reply.--Jpcase (talk) 20:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I asked Disney's Chief Archivist Emeritus Dave Smith about Esperon and Cortazar's involvement through D23's Ask Dave column and was told that the official source music at Disney lists the piece as traditional and states that it was developed by Ed Plumb. I assume that this is simply a gap in Disney's knowledge and am still convinced that the piece was originally written by Quirino Mendoza y Cortez. I would still love to hear from anyone who can provide further information though. Here is a link to the Q&A [1] --Jpcase (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Love Laughs at Andy Hardy" lyrics

Does anybody know who wrote the lyrics to this piece as featured in the film "Love Laughs at Andy Hardy"?--Jpcase (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are These Real Lyrics?

Though almost every version of "Jesusita en Chihuahua" is purely instrumental, the poster on this site - http://forodeespanol.com/Archive/LetraJesusitaChihuahua/dbrqr/post.htm - mentions a certain version which included lyrics. The lyrics as he remembers go like this:

Ay, Jesusita, te llevo aquÃ en mi alma,

Pero tÃº no comprendes lo mucho que te quiero yo.

No me desprecies ??

??

Ay, Chihuahua de mis amores, te llevo en mi corazÃ³n. Tus mujeres son bellas flores de tu jardÃn.

(otra vez)

Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay. Mi Jesusita en Chihuahua.

Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay. ?? de mi amor.

This website - http://mexicanmusicmx.blogspot.com/2011/11/jesusita-en-chihuahua.html - includes a set of lyrics which almost perfectly match those above. Here are the lyrics as posted on the second webpage:

!AY! JESUSITA

TE LLEVO AQUI EN EL ALMA

PERO TU NO COMPRENDES

LO MUCHO QUE TE QUIERO YO

NO ME DESPIERTES

YO SIEMPRE TE HE QUERIDO

CON AMOR VEN A MIS BRAZOS

NUNCA DUDES DE MI AMOR

!AY! CHIHUAHUA DE MIS AMORES

TE LLEVO EN MI CORAZON

TUS MUJERES SON BELLAS

FLORES DE TU JARDIN

!AY! !AY! !AY! !AY! !AY!

POR ELLA MUERO DE AMOR

I only know of two versions of "Jesusita en Chihuahua" which include lyrics. One was featured in the film, "Love Laughs at Andy Hardy" and the other was featured in the film, "Old Los Angeles". The lyrics used in "Love Laughs at Andy Hardy" do not match the lyrics above. You can view the film here (the song starts around the sixteen minute mark) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAStV8LlTqI - Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate a clip from the film "Old Los Angeles", so while I somewhat doubt that these lyrics are the ones used in the film, I cannot say for sure. Does anybody know whether these lyrics were ever used for an actual version of "Jesusita en Chihuahua"?--Jpcase (talk) 00:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Original Composition Lyrics

Does anybody know whether the original version which premiered on December 25, 1916 and which was played by the Mexican revolutionaries included lyrics? As almost every version of this piece is purely instrumental, I highly doubt that it did; however it would be good if somebody could confirm this 100 percent.--Jpcase (talk) 01:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dance

I know that a dance often accompanies this piece, but is there one specific dance that is always peformed or are there multiple dances that have been done over time? When was the dance originally performed? Christmas, 1916 or later? Did Quirino Mendoza y Cortez design the dance or did somebody else?--96.241.224.182 (talk) 17:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought I was signed in when I posted the above comment.--Jpcase (talk) 17:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"The Three Caballeros" lyrics

"Jesusita en Chihuahua" is played in the film "The Three Caballeros" and while it starts out purely instrumental like most versions, lyrics seem to be sung for a very brief moment. As I do not understand Spanish, I am not sure what is being sung. It may not be actual lyrics, just something like la-dee-da-dee-da, but I don't know. Here's a link to the clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIg-bsxEDEw

Does anybody know what is being sung and if they are actual lyrics, who wrote them and when?--Jpcase (talk) 22:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to Disney's Chief Archivist Emeritus Dave Smith, the version from The Three Caballeros contains English lyrics written by Edward H. Plumb. He does not specify what is being sung though, so if anyone knows, I would still love to know. --Jpcase (talk) 20:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]