Talk:Jessica Barth

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Muboshgu

Muboshgu restored the template which I have removed.[1] But I think it meets WP:BIO now. 122.29.0.59 (talk) 18:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vassar College

It's been claimed that she was educated at Vassar College. I have not found any supporting data that she was enrolled there. In fact, her biography indicates she attended La Salle University before graduating from West Chester University with a B.A. I have found a mention of her performing at Vassar's Powerhouse Theater, but by itself, that in no way can be construed as having been educated there. If anyone has information that she was in fact educated at Vassar, please provide it as a source in the article. I am especially interested in hearing from the editor who insists on claiming she was educated at Vassar .Contributor321 (talk) 02:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why this pains you so much, but she states that she trained at Vassar College on her website. 117.218.50.134 (talk) 03:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but that's not good enough. Please familiarize yourself with WP:VERIFY. Then take into account WP:USERGENERATED, which states "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable." So, provide an acceptable source that confirms she was educated at Vassar, or the claim will be deleted again. Contributor321 (talk) 05:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it is enough for the section in question. If it were required to provide an independent public source for every single number or statement, then two thirds of the Wikipedia content would be removed. 117.218.50.134 (talk) 09:43, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I refer you to WP:VERIFY, which you seem not to have read. For your convenience, it states "All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." Contributor321 (talk) 16:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It also states that you need consensus for removal, not edit-warring like you have been doing. 117.218.50.134 (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. You're misinformed, again. According to WP:ONUS, a section in WP:VERIFY: "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Please make the effort to educate yourself on Wikipedia policies. Contributor321 (talk) 19:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The point stands on the fact stated previously: not every minor detail with primary source is to be removed unless an unaffiliated source is provided. As far as I'm concerned, Jessica Barth trained at Vassar College, whether she states it in a third-party interview, or her own personal website. You are welcome to disagree. 117.218.50.134 (talk) 21:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone else care to weigh in? Contributor321 (talk) 18:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After thinking about it, I no longer have an issue with listing Vassar College in Education, as long as it is clear it was in connection with training at Vassar's Powerhouse Theater program, which is a collaboration between Vassar and New York Stage and Film offering workshops, a summer residency program, and other training. My concern is that just listing Vassar College by itself, without mentioning Powerhouse Theater, will lead the casual reader to assume she was an undergraduate at Vassar, which she was not. Contributor321 (talk) 01:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Until you find a source backing up your claim which type of training she attended, I have an issue with your edits. 2001:7E8:C676:AE01:230:48FF:FED7:4CD7 (talk) 01:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From her website (https://fifteenminutesuntilfame.wordpress.com/jessica-barth/), under TRAINING it states "Vassar College Powerhouse Theater-New York Stage and Film." Contributor321 (talk) 02:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You said "workshops, a summer residency program, and other training", which is your opinion, and not even a definite one at that. Find a verifiable source stating such specifics which one it is, and avoid clogging the infobox. 2001:7E8:C676:AE01:230:48FF:FED7:4CD7 (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I thought you were looking for proof that she was trained at the Vassar College Powerhouse Theater/New York Stage and Film collaboration, which is what her website states. Isn't that the nub of our disagreement? As for "workshops, a summer residency program, and other training", that comes from the Vassar College Powerhouse Theater website - http://powerhouse.vassar.edu/index.html and http://powerhouse.vassar.edu/about/. I'm confused as to what exactly your position is. Are you claiming she was an undergraduate at Vassar, in addition to being an undergraduate at La Salle University and at West Chester University? Please clarify. Contributor321 (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that primary source is usually good enough for the infobox (hence it is listed there), not for statements throughout the article. 2001:7E8:C676:AE01:230:48FF:FED7:4CD7 (talk) 03:04, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an idea. We leave just "Vassar College" in the infobox, so as to not clutter it up, and in the text of the article say that she trained at the Vassar College Powerhouse Theater in collaboration with New York Stage and Film, to clarify she was not a Vassar undergraduate. What do you think? Contributor321 (talk) 03:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

With a verifiable source, you can put it into lead at any time. That must be why it isn't mentioned there already, because it's not listed in the provided source. 2001:7E8:C676:AE01:230:48FF:FED7:4CD7 (talk) 03:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So what do you suggest the article content should be so that the reader is not left with the impression she was a Vassar undergraduate? Work with me here. Contributor321 (talk) 04:03, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If I knew the answer to that, then I would probably have already edited the article myself. Good luck to you. 2001:7E8:C676:AE01:230:48FF:FED7:4CD7 (talk) 04:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you OK with me adding in "According to her website, she also trained at the Vassar College Powerhouse Theater" and providing the following as the source: 1? Contributor321 (talk) 04:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No. That part is already noted in the infobox. If you want to get into detailed specifics, put it into the article with another source. 2001:7E8:C676:AE01:230:48FF:FED7:4CD7 (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Only Vassar College is in the infobox, there's no mention of Powerhouse Theater, and the source I suggested is nowhere in the article. Explain, please.Contributor321 (talk) 17:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've resolved the issue, not putting too many words into it so it doesn't add another line. 117.218.50.134 (talk) 18:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with that. Thanks for breaking the logjam. Contributor321 (talk) 20:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Birthday

The IPs that keep adding the '78 birthday have all elsewise been blocked for spurious edits across greater Hollywood-esque articles. Probably one person. The subject of the article herself sometimes edits this page as a different anon IP or, occasionally, as Angela Calpin. She removes the 1978 birthdate and adds a 1980 one, however neither has a source. I've readded the categories that got removed by the IP(s) as we don't have a verified birthdate or year from a reliable source either way. JesseRafe (talk) 17:32, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It still says 1980 AND 1978 on here. Can someone confirm which one it is? It looks ridiculous having two different years on one page Urgeback (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I hope we can eventually locate a reliable source and add Jessica Barth's birth date (or, at least, birth year) to this article. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:40, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]