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Extinction?

I don't believe the Javan tigers are extinct. In Central Javanese village, they maybe live in the forest, or caves. Ario_ManUtd 31 March 2008, 09:30 (UTC) --Ario ManUtd (talk) 02:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some people say that the Javan Tiger is extinct. Some say its not. Nobody knows until there is sufficient evidence to prove whether the Javan tiger is extinct. And b the way, Indonesia is not really so primitive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zheliel (talk • contribs) 00:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Tiger Foundation in coörperation with the Indonesian Ministry of Forestry has recently investigated these so-called sightings. They concluded that the reported cats are in fact leopards, which are still common in Java. Peter Maas\^talk 18:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Panthera sondaica

I find odd that this publication: Mazák, J.H., Groves, C.P. (2006). A taxonomic revision of the tigers (Panthera tigris). Only contributes to the article in providing source for the Javan tiger having thin stripes and being one of the "3 island subspecies" completely ignoring the point of said article, which concluded that the Javan tiger is not a tiger subspecies but a distinct species (Panthera sondaica) related to it. Mike.BRZ (talk) 17:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It should certainly be mentioned. Is it accepted by others? FunkMonk (talk) 17:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, I'm not well versed in tiger/Panthera literature but I agree, even if it ends up not being consensus it should be mentioned. Mike.BRZ (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not well accepted. See: Mazák, Ji H. (2010). "Craniometric variation in the tiger (Panthera tigris): Implications for patterns of diversity, taxonomy and conservation". Mammalian Biology 75: 45–68.[1]; and Tigers of the World: The Science, Politics and Conservation of Panthera tigris - page 77 (disponible in googlebooks). But the fact of split deserve be mentioned in text. Burmeister (talk) 21:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Leo1pard (talk) 13:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Panthera tigris sondaica

@Raymondskie99: You might be wondering why BhagyaMani reverted your edit on Panthera tigris sondaica being extinct. That is because subspecies of tigers, like other cats, had been revised by the Cat Classification Taskforce of the Cat Specialist Group in 2017,^[1] and now, Panthera tigris sondaica is used for Sunda tigers, including Balinese and Sumatran tigers (the latter being extant). Leo1pard (talk) 13:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Kitchener, A.C.; Breitenmoser-Würsten, C.; Eizirik, E.; Gentry, A.; Werdelin, L.; Wilting, A.; Yamaguchi, N. (2017). "A revised taxonomy of the Felidae: The final report of the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN Cat Specialist Group" (PDF). Cat News. Special Issue 11. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |last-author-amp= ignored (|name-list-style= suggested) (help)

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Javan tiger : extirpation

It is illogical. Wessing [2] wrote that In the past the tiger was a rather common animal in Java. In 1822 the area between Panarukan and Banyuwangi in East Java abounded with them ... The opening of the forests for plantations in the mid-nineteenth century resulted in the in-migration of thousands of laborers from Central Java and Madura ... As a result the number of tigers declined drastically. At the end of the 19th century, it was not such a widespread beast. I didn't find it in the book (Seidensticker, 1987). OJJ (talk) 09:05, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I remember I added an url to the book chapter by Seidensticker (1987), and according to him it was still widely distributed on Java until the end of 19th century. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seidensticker: Two hundred years ago the tiger ranged over most of the island, and as late as the 1850's,tigers were considered a nuisance in some populated areas. Maybe I'm reading wrong. OJJ (talk) 09:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He also wrote that bountying started in the 1830s, but large-scale hunting at the beginning of the 20th century to onset of World War II. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:51, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's better to mention the 18th century. Since the 1850s, colonization and agriculture have become threatening factors... The chronology needs to be adjusted, the data are not chronological (end of 19. century, 1850, 1940)... OJJ (talk) 10:20, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I revised the sections. Alas, the chapter by Seidensticker (1987) is not online any more. I know the 2 texts by Wessing about the cultural significance of the Javan tiger. But since he referred to Seidensticker's writings in regard to extirpation, I decided to not reference them. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 21:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

¿left or right?

@BhagyaMani: do you actually think that people notice or even care to the slightest about the unimportant image-squeeze thing? Meanwhile, the left sided looks better on the big screen. You have to think about all people. We can even take people here to vote, because we are EQUAL, rightttt?

Some1 ^{talk} 08:10, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. The images on the left side look horrendous and give the article a cramped look. Additionally, three images of dead tigers is excessive. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:03, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They should. There is a reason for MOS:SANDWICH. Wikipedia has to cater for all people, whether using a big or small screen. — Jts1882 | talk 21:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not extinct!! There's at least 1 out there.

Just a few days ago in Java Indonesia @ForrestGalante and his team on YouTube recently released thermal images of what they believed to be a tiger. Not long after the sighting; around the same time. A separate reported sighting was made and a hair was found on some barbed wire. The hair was tested and results say apparently this is a Javan tiger! The Javan tiger being out there somewhere still is more than likely now. It's just the question of when or if it'll be found by experts to be protected. Primroseku (talk) 00:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, except no, because we need to wait until it's officially confirmed Mr Fink (talk) 01:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Multiple news articles have covered this, meaning it has a source, and therefore the article should be rewritten in a present tone. WikiHmmmm... (talk) 11:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the article to a present tense, including new sources and retrofitting the old "siteing" section into the "rediscovery" section. WikiHmmmm... (talk) 11:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For once, the original article about the DNA-analysed hair is ALREADY referenced, so no need to add all the articles in newspapers that rely on this article. Then I completely agree with Mr Fink that we should wait for the official confirmation that a live individual is indeed photographed by a camera trap. Then only can we be certain that this hair has not been mixed up in the lab. BhagyaMani (talk) 12:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article in the making titled "No Reliable Evidence Supports the Presence of Javan Tigers - Data Issues Related to the DNA Analysis of a Recent Hair Sample", currently still a preprint at bioRxiv. The authors state that the initial conclusions based on DNA analysis of one putative tiger hair sample are more likely to have arisen erroneously due to flawed experimental design and lack of scientific stringency than from an ext–ant tiger. Note also that some of the authors of this draft are renowned microbiologists. – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Catsg2017-1] Kitchener, A.C.; Breitenmoser-Würsten, C.; Eizirik, E.; Gentry, A.; Werdelin, L.; Wilting, A.; Yamaguchi, N. (2017). "A revised taxonomy of the Felidae: The final report of the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN Cat Specialist Group" (PDF). Cat News. Special Issue 11. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |last-author-amp= ignored (|name-list-style= suggested) (help)

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