Talk:Jars of Clay discography

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BetacommandBot 01:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Digital studio albums

Hi there,

You seemed to be unaware of the existence of digital studio albums, so here are some basics:

At the studio, equipment such as a digital audio workstation is used to record live sound, and the end result is a DDD album.

I've been doing work with the local audio production industry for a few years now, so I'm happy to help you find out any information you might need : )

InternetMeme (talk) 08:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

That's grasping at straws. No one differentiates between an album recorded digitally from those that use analogue technology at some stage. Most importantly, there is no proof that Jars of Clay recorded their earlier albums that way. The use of "digital studio album]] in this sense is purely WP:OR, and that's WP:AGF. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

For a start, it's not at all grasping at straws. Secondly, a huge number of people differentiate between an album recorded digitally from those that use analogue technology at some stagem as clearly evidenced by the content of the articles that you presumably failed to read. And I'm not trying to say whether or not they recorded the album digitally, I'm saying that they released it digitally. InternetMeme (talk) 14:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Show the term in common use. Until then, it is grasping at straws. It is used of digital photo albums, but not recorded music. It's also the name of someone's album, but Billboard, Spin and other music publications do not use the term.

To use the term without a reference is just wrong regardless of how you think it's used. It was not released digitally. Many of their early releases were released on vinyl, cassette and CD. The two former categories would preclude the use of the term. And not knowing how it was recorded would mean it fails your DDD category. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:11, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

And this is specifically related to the complete term "digital studio album" not "digital album" or "digital-only release". Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Standard categories: EPs

I've been looking at FL status discographies and I think this one would benefit from some rearranging to match the standards these FL pages follow.

I have a number of things I like to propose. The first is to create a section for EPs. Most FL status pages follow an outline similar to this:

Albums

Compilations

Singles

Extended Plays

In order to do this I think we will need to remove the section titled "Downloadable releases." The standard seems to be that the method of acquisition is irrelevant to categorization. Other FL pages treat digital albums no differently from physical albums, (see Beyoncé discography and Iggy Azalea discography for example). So I'd like to take the EP's out of the sections "Downloadable releases" and "Other releases," and give them their own section. The remaining albums under "Downloadable releases" can be moved to "Other releases."

This would give us a new outline which would look like this:

Albums

Compilation albums

Extended plays

Other releases

DVDs

Contributions

(and so on as is…)

If no one objects, I will begin this work.

OkAbacus (talk) 08:54, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

"Seatbelt Tuba: The Acoustic Sessions" title

I don't think this is the correct title for this entry under "Other releases." Seatbelt Tuba is a three-track CD released in the same packaging with limited early copies of the album Much Afraid. It's never been available by itself. Though, because it has its own title, (even a subtitle), it is easy to think of as a standalone album. (If it were not packaged with Much Afraid, it would probably qualify as an EP under RIAA definitions). But it's my understanding that it is more appropriate to think of this short companion CD as a "bonus disc" in a limited release of Much Afraid. Amazon, eBay and Discogs all treat it this way in their listings.

My question is, do we leave it as is, or should we change this title to the appropriate title? If the latter, does anyone know a good source in order to find the exact title? Amazon labels it Much Afraid Exclusive Seatbelt Tuba Edition. Other sources call it Much Afraid (Seatbelt Tuba Edition).

OkAbacus (talk) 07:48, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Standard categories: Singles

I think it would make sense to take the section titled "Radio airplay," retitle it "Singles," and move it further up. Almost all Featured List discographies have a section titled Singles that is nearly identical to the one here, "Radio airplay."

I think there are a few subsequent singles that need to be added as well.

If no one objects, I will begin this work.

OkAbacus (talk) 08:44, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to change. I don't think you need to consult on every change. WP:BOLD edits are encouraged, and WP:BRD should be the fall-back. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Removed sections

I removed the section "Unreleased songs" and the subsection "Previously recorded contributions" (under the section "Contributions") because the Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style#What_should_not_be_included recommends that information of both these types shouldn’t be included in a discography.

OkAbacus (talk) 22:23, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

20

I have noticed that the album 20 is sometimes moved under the subsection Compilation albums. 20 is not a compilation album. It is a studio album. The distinction is this: a compilation album is an album of primarily previously recorded tracks. (See: Compilation album). A studio album is an album recorded in a studio of primarily newly recorded material. It is easy to think of 20 as a compilation album because it primarily consists of songs that are already part of the band’s repertoire. But while these are old songs, they are new recordings of old songs, and thus, 20 is a studio album, not a compilation album. OkAbacus (talk) 07:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)