Talk:Japanese orphans in China
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Edit by User:Rajmaan
[edit]I don't know whether it is intentional or not, Rajmaan's edit was mixed with sourced contents and unsourced original research. Please provide a source supporting the following claim:
Because they had children fathered by Chinese men, the Japanese women were not allowed to bring their Chinese families back with them to Japan so most of them stayed. Japanese law only allowed children fathered by Japanese fathers to become Japanese citizens. However Japan lifted the restrictions on the women and citizenship for children born to foreign men recently and they have been migrating back to Japan with their Chinese husbands and children.
- ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 02:16, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- There are dozens of sources from where I drew the information from, except I can't format over 20 references at a time.Rajmaan (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Unless you provide a source, I will revert your edit.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 03:29, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- There are dozens of sources from where I drew the information from, except I can't format over 20 references at a time.Rajmaan (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Rajmaan (talk) 03:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing the quotes. However there is no description supporting the claim "Because they had children fathered by Chinese men, the Japanese women were not allowed to bring their Chinese families back with them to Japan". And you attribute the reason to the citizenship of children. However it is not correct. The source you provided says:
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At the time the Japanese state viewed such cases as “merely a woman who had married a foreigner and thus given up her Japanese nationality
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However, because they had married outside Japan proper, the Japanese state did not recognize their marriage as legitimate and she was classified has having “chosen” to give up her Japanese citizenship.
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- So the real reason is that the Japanese women who married Chinese husband were considered to be no longer Japanese citizens.
- More specifically, according to another source, Beijing Agreement on March 1953 stated that the person who can repatriate to Japan are "Japanese women who married Chinese husbands", "Chinese women who married Japanese husbands", and "Children of these couples". There is no mention of "Chinese husband who married Japanese women". Japanese women who married Chinese husbands are considered to be no longer Japanese citizens, so they are not allowed to repatriate. Japanese women who married Chinese husbands could repatriate with their children if they divorce their husbands.
- To sum up, the reason why Japanese women who married Chinese husbands were not allowed to repatriate is their nationality not their children's nationality.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 06:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing the quotes. However there is no description supporting the claim "Because they had children fathered by Chinese men, the Japanese women were not allowed to bring their Chinese families back with them to Japan". And you attribute the reason to the citizenship of children. However it is not correct. The source you provided says:
- However, she would have to leave her baby son in China. The Japanese government did not allow the Japanese women's children to accompany them, because their chil- dren were Chinese according to Japanese law. In contrast, Japanese men could bring their children to Japan, because their children were legally Japanese.Rajmaan (talk) 13:17, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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