Talk:Jane Goodall

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Handful of missing media

I'm new to this Wikipedia thing, but I noticed at least two of Goodall's early documentaries are missing; Jane Goodall and the World of Animal Behavior: The Wild Dogs of Africa (1973) and Lions of the Serengeti (1976) 2601:8C3:4101:4DB0:5472:1703:55EB:7F3E (talk) 06:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Added! Alecnotalex (talk) 23:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Date of "Garry Larson Cartoon Incident"

I noticed that the date of "Garry Larson Cartoon Incident" is missing. I would assume it happened sometime from 1979 to 1995 when the comic strip ran but someone should clarify. KarateNerd0321 (talk) 14:27, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2021

In section "Africa", third paragraph, change "Cambridge where obtained a PhD in Ethology." to "Cambridge where she obtained a PhD in Ethology". 2607:FEA8:21A2:F00:5D2A:CBAA:D6DD:EC76 (talk) 15:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2022

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{{subst:trim|1=Replace "the French Legion of Honor" by "Officer of the French [[National Order of the Legion of Honour" (as per Category:Officers of the Legion of Honnour.

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 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - PianoDan (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2022

Change the "Awards" list to include the "Anthem Lifetime Achievement Award (2022)" (Source: https://www.anthemawards.com/winners/list/entry/#special-achievement/anthem-lifetime-achievement/dr-jane-goodall/-1/0/298) Intelbowl (talk) 06:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Jane Goodall. If possible, please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. If you cannot edit the article's talk page, you can instead make your request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for edits to a protected page. Correct venue is Talk:Awards received by Jane Goodall. ––FormalDude talk 04:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Jane Goodall 69.201.47.62 (talk) 15:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022

In "Research at Gombe Stream National Park" it is written twice that Jane Goodall named her chimps, which was an unconventional practice. It is redundant to state this twice. I recommend removing its first instance: "Instead of numbering the chimpanzees she observed, she gave them names such as Fifi and David Greybeard and observed them to have unique and individual personalities, an unconventional idea at the time." This will make for better flow. 50.229.8.22 (talk) 14:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done ––FormalDude (talk) 04:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Templeton Prize

Should the fact she won the Templeton Prize in 2021 be mentioned in the section on religion and spirituality? Or do readers think this is best left where it is mentioned, in the section on awards won by Jane Goodall? YTKJ (talk) 21:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2023

Add in the Media > Films section: 2019 Exploring Hans Hass Dr Jane Goodall featured in the biographical documentary film about the legendary diving pioneer and filmmaker Hans Hass (Source: [1]https://www.diagonale.at/en/filmarchiv/?fid=9315)

Megaptera1966 (talk) 20:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 01:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

(Source: [1]https://www.diagonale.at/en/filmarchiv/?fid=9315) Megaptera1966 (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

@Megaptera1966 I'm not sure, this source maybe not reliable. Lemonaka (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

@Lemonaka: Thank you for the feedback. The source is a film festival where the film was shown. What would be a reliable source for you? I have seen the film and can confirm it. Otherwise, can you name the film itself as a source? Thank you. Megaptera1966 (talk) 12:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lemonaka (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Could you please write the film title in italics and link to the Wikipedia article "Hans Hass"? That would be great. Megaptera1966 (talk) 19:40, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done, thanks Lemonaka (talk) 03:26, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2023

In, Tchimpounga Chimpanzee Rehabilatation Centre, Rehabilatation is spelled wrong Mittttens (talk) 22:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done ––FormalDude (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Reference to Dr. Goodall’s expertise and field

Dr. Goodall’s PhD is in ethology or the study of animal behavior. She is widely known for her research on the chimpanzees of Gombe National Park, but she also studied other animals elsewhere in Tanzania. She also never formally studied anthropology. Her mentor Dr. Louis Leakey did.

And for the last 30 years Jane has been an activist and advocate for the natural world, animal welfare and alleviating poverty through community-led conservation.

Therefore she should be acknowledged as an ethologist and activist. Not a primatologist and anthropologist. 75.104.88.57 (talk) 23:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Jane's Animal Adventures

On the BBC Radio Four Today programme this morning [Thursday 27 April 2023], it was announced that Goodall is going to be starting a new television series soon, aimed at children, entitled "Jane's Animal Adventures". If anyone knows details of this, mention of it would make a good addition to the article. YTKJ (talk) 21:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Contradiction in Africa Section

I'm not putting in a semi-protected edit request in yet as I just want to gather thoughts on this. (Although if deemed appropriate I am happy to make one).

When reading the Africa section, I noticed two issues in the third paragraph.(Which are both linked to eachother).A contradiction and a semi-dead/unconnected reference/citation.

The contradiction is that currently says that Dr Goodall was the eighth person to study for a PHD without having a bachelor's degree. Despite that earlier in the same paragraph it mentions she had attended Cambridge University in Newnham College obtaining her bachelor's degree in natural sciences. Backed up by reference 18 from Newnham College.

I then tried to check reference that was cited for (reference 3), to find that the page archive for the reference doesn't mention her PHD at all, and the second page of the reference, where I assume it had been discussed is a dead Web page (even via the wayback machine). Curious Caladonian Cat (talk) 05:25, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Something is wrong, but we'll have to sort out exactly what that is quite carefully. Goodall writes (in Cambridge Alumni Magazine (CAM), no. 44, 2000, "Profile: Mirror of Humankind" by Peter Richards, pp. 10-13): "When I came up to Cambridge in 1962, I had no degree of any sort". I believe that this means that she was admitted to Cambridge to do her PhD without, as the article already states, having first gained her bachelor's degree; perhaps she then worked on both BA and PhD concurrently. If that's correct then the mystery is resolved and the sentences about "allowed to study" and "went to Newnham" are in reverse order, I'll swap them over now. I think therefore that ref [3] was correct; but we need to find an extant source to say the same thing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

We're nearly there. I've added some sources. I think the Time and PBS sources must be slightly mistaken about the facts: for instance PBS says she got an "honorary doctorate" in 1965 (it was a full PhD), and she was "one of only a handful of people to earn that distinction without having first completed four years of college." - it'd be three years at Cambridge for a BA. I think therefore that the answer is that she was admitted to do the PhD, on (unstated) the condition she did her BA as well. It'd be helpful to have that detail in a reliable source. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Excluding the fact that reference 3 needs to be replaced for this section.

Looking over her CV (Currently reference 22), the information provided by Newnham College and I will admit agreement with your final point. I think this is the set of events (using the collection of information available).

September 1961 she joins Newnham College (Cambridge University), as a PHD candidate, but obtains a BA on the way. So that between the 61/62 academic year to the 63/64 academic year she completes her BA in natsci. Upon completion, she then starts her PHD in Darwin College lasting Sept 64 to 66. The shortened amount of time for her PHD is understandable when taking into account she already had the data from her time previously at Gombe.

Meaning that she did enter university as a PHD candidate without holding any university qualifications, but by the time she actually started her thesis, she had a BA, essentially studying an integrated bachelor's and PHD course. Curious Caladonian Cat (talk) 08:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I had always heard that Jane Goodall had gone to get her PhD without having an undergraduate degree so was surprised to see that she is listed as have a BA in Natural Sciences from Newnham. Is this based solely on a page on the Newnham College website? That since seems to have been changed. Looking at Cambridge University sources

• https://newn.cam.ac.uk/person/jane-goodall lists her as having started Newnham in 1961 (contradicting other sources) but only lists PhD for her degrees (other honorary fellow pages list MAs, so it doesn't seem to be only for brevity)
• https://newn.cam.ac.uk/newnham-news/dr-jane-goodall-dbe-awarded-honorary-degree-university-cambridge-and-becomes-honorary "Goodall worked towards her PhD in Ethology at Newnham from 1962 to 1966"
• https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/dr-jane-goodall-on-the-environment-my-greatest-hope-is-our-young-people says she completed a PhD at Newnham and is an honorary fellow at Darwin, but doesn't mention her studying at Darwin or say anything about undergraduate degrees

It seems that the BA statement may have been a mistake that has since been corrected. As already mentioned, many other sources state she completed her PhD without an undergraduate degree. Are there any other sources for the BA Natural Sciences? If not, I think that should be removed. Mgp28 (talk) 12:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm striking my previous comment. Her Who's Who entry lists BA Newnham College, PhD Darwin College, so it isn't just one rogue reference. It would be interesting to know exactly what happened, but without engaging in original research I think that the current description is probably the best summary of the sources. Mgp28 (talk) 11:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2023

Who are the authors? Does it say? 64.88.204.139 (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 13:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

This article looks to be written Americans. Please note, English is not a nationality, Jane Goodall is de jure a British citizen, her mother was born in Wales, wth quite a 'Welsh' name, so it is an insult to describe her ethnicity as English, she is British. I looked at this articcle for a project, I will not be using it. Please stick to facts, like nationality which is proveable 85.94.248.27 (talk) 10:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I just check the articles about Jane Goodall in eight languages, and they do know the difference between ethnicity and nationality, and they all correctly describe her as British 85.94.248.27 (talk) 11:06, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Goodall as Patron of Inti Wara Yassi in Bolivia

Can you please add that in 2008 Dr. Goodall became Patron of the UK charity Friends of Inti Wara Yassi (FIWY)? FIWY is the UK arm of Comunidad Inti Wara Yassi (CIWY), a Bolivian NGO dedicated to wildlife conservation in the Bolivian Amazon. https://www.intiwarayassi.org/our-story/ FIWY (talk) 16:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Second Paragraph of Activism Ordering

The paragraph states that she is a vegetarian at the beginning, and then corrects itself later with the update that as of 2021 she’s a vegan. Wouldn’t it be more clear to have that detail at the beginning and then get into the details of why she’s an advocate? Maybe Wikipedia has a precedent for putting updates at the end of paragraphs though, I’m new to editing Wikipedia articles. Elliotisnt (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)