Talk:Jadeja

Jadeja royal family tree

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jadeja royal family tree. Kappa 01:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC) sadfa

Why you changed jadeja's history, You know about ScPolice (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing of rulers etc

I have just removed the section concerning rulers. The article has been tagged for quite a while and the one cited source is extremely poor. Feel free to reinstate using better sources, preferably ones that are printed. - Sitush (talk) 19:06, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2020 (UTC)OnlyTruthShallPrevail

Jharija - synonym?

The Cambridge History of India appears to suggest that a synonym of Jadeja is Jharija. Can anyone confirm this alternate name? Is it in current use or archaic? - Sitush (talk) 08:25, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Dear Sitush - As far as I am aware there are two alternate spells for Jadeja - one as per above Jahrija and another is Jhareja. Both being style of pronunciation in Gujarati and Kutchi languages for Jadeja. See also search result [1] for Jharija [2] and Jhareja. - Jethwarp (talk) 08:15, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Ajay Jadeja

Dear Sitush, Ajay Jadeja hails from ruling family of Jamnagar-Nawanagar, which was ruled by Jadeja Rajputs and as such is a valid name for inclusion in list.However, I find you have some different opinion about following entry, which you have removed.

Ajay Jadeja - noted Indian cricketer hailing from ruling family of Nawanagar.The Journal of Indo-judaic Studies , Volumes 1-4. Society for Indo-Judaic Studies. 1998. p. 95."I am suffering irreparably: Ajay Jadeja". Times of India. 7 January 2003. Retrieved 25 June 2013.

• The Journal of Indo-judaic Studies mentions his name - Four generations of the Jamnagar royal family have played test cricket: Ranji and Duleep for England and Indrajit and Ajay Jadeja for India

• Times of India news report refers to him as ...Prince Ajaysingh Daulatsingh Jadeja of Jamnagar, springing surprises is a way of life.

Both above sources mention the above fact, so if you agree we can add the name to list of notables. Although, I agree that last name is never verification of caste and Jadeja surname may be found in other castes but in this case we have verifiable sources that Ajay hails from Princely family of Jamnagar/Nawanagar - so adding his name in list should not be a problem.

Regards and thanks. Jethwarp (talk) 16:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Has he personally claimed to be a part of the Jadeja caste? Self-identification required for living people by our rules for lists of this type. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:04, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Finding online sources for self-identification is a bit of problem as in Indian society identification is inherited by birth (till the person declares that he does not belong to particular caste or religion but it is rarely to find a source which says I belong to this caste --- as it is presumed to be self-identified by virtue of his birth) Although I am aware this self-identification bit is subject of debate at various forums of Wikipedia.

But does not him using Jadeja as his last name and being referred to as Prince of Jamnagar is self-identification.

I am a bit wary of topic now and will leave on other editors - if he is eligible to be included in list as per Wiki policies - though I am least concerned if his name is in list or not --- and neither Ajay Jadeja would be interested in seeing his name in list (Ha!!..Ha!!) beco'z for his part at least majority of Indians know he is a Prince of Jamnagar ruling family, weather Wikipedia mentions it or not!! Thanks. - Jethwarp (talk) 03:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I agree with you in part--I believe that the reliable sources you've given that state he is part of the caste should be sufficient to include him in the list. I don't though, think that his use of the last name is relevant, as there are countless examples of people who retain a caste-linked name yet don't claim allegiance to said caste. Nonetheless, our current consensus is that there must be self-identification, so without it, there's probably no way. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Ajay Jadeja does not belong to the Jamnagar throne Family. He is son of ex-Member of Parliament of Jamnagar Daulatsinh Jadeja. Daulatsinhji belongs to the family which is close to Ruling Family of Jamnagar state in genealogy; but they are not the

direct descedents of the royal family. It is Shatrushailya singh who is last ruling man. Ajay jadeja's mother is also not a rajput lady as heard in jamanagar. needs to be verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.154.146.156 (talk) 11:21, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 06:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC) Added two refernces to trace Ajaysinhji Jadeja to Jamnagar (Navanagar) Royal Family. It is true that he is not direct heir to the state, however is related to the family by blood. Hope this helps.

McLeod paper

WP:RS and the McLeod conference paper that we currently cite are not good bedfellows. Whilst any paper published in a decent academic journal will meet RS because it will have had peer review, a paper presented at a conference may be (and often is) somewhat tentative research and opinion. The "peer review" in such circumstances is often the discussion which follows the presentation, which in turn feeds into further refinements of the author's research etc. That's the nature of the process and, as such, I think we should not be citing McLeod in this form. We need a properly reviewed variant of the paper, a subsequent book or a completely different source. - Sitush (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Lets please not have one sided fiction demonizing a community that has rules and fought for people of Kutch and Saurashtra for about a millennia

OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC) OnlyTruthShallPrevail

I here by request to change in the content. I dont have privileges to change the content.

The comment about Rajputization is total art of fiction. No such phenomena is even heard of in the region. Please stop letting European fiction writers dictate the narrative of Indian tribes and clans. If you want to make an honest attempt to show truthful insights about Jadeja dynasty I refer few books by Indian authors. ISBN8179911047 "People of India: Gujarat" Volume XXII part 1 and Memoir and Brief Notes Relative to the Kutch State, which is published by Government at the Bombay Education Society's Press, 1855. I am from Gujarat, and consider my self a history buff, and fail to see much truth in current version of article. Also, please note that much of the history in this part of India is not written by passed on from generation to generation by Charans and Gadhavi orally. Unfortunately, there hasn't been enough work done to publish that aspect of history in writing, but that shouldn't let fiction become fact.

Unfortunately, Wikipedia is a reliably sourced encyclopedia. You'll need to find reliable written sources (academic ones) that back up anything you wish to change in the article. --RegentsPark (comment) 22:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I have sited two books, that contradicts Rajputization theory of an author that I can't find through google and dates history of the Jadeja clan in Kutch since 9th century. Can you please consider it to remove false information in the article? Or if you can give me rights to edit the article, I can draw a summary from these two books and have much more meaningful information for a Lehman looking for some information about this community. <ISBN8179911047 "People of India: Gujarat" Volume XXII part 1> and <Memoir and Brief Notes Relative to the Kutch State, which is published by Government at the Bombay Education Society's Press, 1855>. OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 01:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC) OnlyTruthShallPrevail

I suggest you outline what you want to say here along with the citations and editors (better qualified than I) will take a look. Be specific or your suggestions are likely to be ignored. Please note that Raj era books (the 1855 one above, for example) are not considered reliable sources on Wikipedia.--RegentsPark (comment) 02:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 03:18, 25 November 2020 (UTC) OnlyTruthShallPrevail

I would do complete rehaul of the article to something like following:

Origins:

Jadeja dynasty ruled major parts of present day Gujarat, notably Kutch, Nawanagar, Rajkot, Morvi, Gondal and Dhrol. . There are other smaller bhayats and princely states also governed by Jadeja Rajputs. Cutch was ruled by the Jadeja Rajput dynasty of the Samma tribe[1] from its formation in 1147 until 1948 when it acceded to newly formed, India. The rulers had migrated from Sindh into Kutch in late 12th century. They were entitled to a 17-gun salute by the British authorities. The title of rulers was earlier Ja'am, which during British Raj changed to Maharao made hereditary from 1 Jan 1918. . Nawanagar, now known as Jamnagar was ruled by the Jadeja dynasty from its formation in c 1540 until 1948 when it became a part of newly formed India. . Rajkot was founded by Thakur Sahib Vibhoji Ajoji Jadeja in 1620 and ruled by Jadeja rulers till India become independent nation. and became part of Bombay Presidency under British Raj.

Alright you have two problems with your sources. Your first source is self-published, so that means it is disqualified from being used as a source on Wikipedia. Your last two sources are just other Wikipedia pages, which are not considered reliable sources. Please find secondary academically published sources to back up any statements.Chariotrider555 (talk) 03:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 17:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC) OnlyTruthShallPrevail 1. I don't know the author of the first website. As you can see that website has information on Rajput dynasties across India. I referenced wikipedia in my other three parts which has reference to originally published material. Shall I reference it? Also, found a new source https://www.rct.uk/collection/2584509/imperial-durbar-album-of-indian-princes that has citation for all Origins, Jadeja Princely states and timelines. 2. In the current version of the article, the 2nd line reads "Mujahid Khan II, the ruler of Palanpur was married to a Jadeja lady Manbai. Mansarovar tank, named after her, was then constructe" This line is referenced to Raj era gazzette. Does it belong on the page? 3. Aren't all dynasties across the world had humble origins, so I have no problem if you can quote an authentic article that traces Origins of Jadeja Rajputs to a peasant. In my research, they originated from Samma Rajput community from present day Iran (than Persia). Can this text be removed please.

I'm not sure this new source is very reliable either. Please find secondary, academically published sources to back up any statements. You cannot utilize self-published sources or Wikipedia as a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chariotrider555 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

OnlyTruthShallPrevail The sources I have been quoting are much more reliable and academic than what is being used to just have negative comments about the community. Unfortunately, it seems like there is a bias to not let real introduction about a community allowed to publish. The book imperial-durbar-album-of-indian-princes is by celebrated author PURSHOTTAM VISHRAM MAWJEE, unlike Koyal Sivaji, about whom there is no reference. — Preceding undated comment added 20:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

It's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source. Chariotrider555 (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

OnlyTruthShallPrevail I made an edit to delete lines with poor citation or relevance to the article. You just reverted it. — Preceding undated comment added 20:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Yea my bad I was in the middle of writing an edit summary when I accidently clicked published. But I left the reasoning on your talk page.Chariotrider555 (talk) 20:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

OnlyTruthShallPrevail I have responded there, thank you! Please add proper citation for the text that you want to add back. I have articulated my concern in my edit summary one more time. Thank you for your cooperation. — Preceding undated comment added 20:50, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Jadeja dynasty lineage prior to 16th century

cheriotrider555 has a claim that Jadeja's were peasants prior to 16th century. However, in the book written by PURSHOTTAM VISHRAM MAWJEE with title Imperial Durbar Album of Indian Princes 1911, page 52, it is mentioned that Jadeja dynasty is decedents of Samma Rajputs of Sindh. In a different book titled "People of India Gujarat Part 1, volume XXII", authored by K. S. Singh, R. B. Lal, P. B. S. V Padmanabham, Gopal Krishnan and Md Azeez Mohidden. page 418, it is mentioned that Jadeja are descendents of Sambha (son of lord Krishna). Hence the claim can be rebuffed, unless there is a more substantive scholarly article proving that prior to 16th century Jadeja rajputs were peasants. --OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 23:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of sourced content and edit warring

It is possible that new editors who are not aware of rules in this area may revert my edits but I would like to advice them to see User:Sitush/Common#Castelists and WP:V.Heba Aisha (talk) 18:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Source also donot give info required but are used in section of notable people. Ex: This one

References

Let us please use talk page to build consensus rather than preaching others to not engage in edit war. --OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 18:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

OnlyTruthShallPrevail, "Imperial Durbar Album of Indian Princes" is not a reliable source, as it dates to the British Raj. Stop removing this text:

" However, historians state that such illustrious descent has no historical basis, and was fabricated by Brahmins in order to give mainly low caste illiterate warriors greater status and prestige in a process called Rajputization. In the process, a Brahmin would somehow "discover" that a budding tribal king descended from an ancient Kshatriya lineage, and the newly declared Rajput would surround himself with the paraphernalia of Brahmanism and become a patron of the Brahmins."

It is very reliably sourced and provides a relevant explanation of the claim of descent from Krishna.Chariotrider555 (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

References

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 06:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC) You had quoted Gazette documents for Manbai, isn't that British Raj era complied document? And there is no where in wikipedia editorial policy it says that British Raj era history is all false. What world do you live in? When I am providing the reference to establish lineage between Samma dynasty and Jadeja Dynasty, both pre and post British era, you don't want to consider it. But you want to consider references that have zero mention of Jadeja. This is reference based knowledge sharing platform, and not anyone's personal blog to settle scores against a community. Please stop reverting the edits, or run the risk of being blocked again.

Shall I assume WP:SILENCE?01:54, 30 November 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chariotrider555 (talk • contribs)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 05:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC) None of above 5 references mention anything about Jadeja dynasty. Rajputs is a diverse community, and not a monolith as I have repeated time and again. Also, book written by PURSHOTTAM VISHRAM MAWJEE with title Imperial Durbar Album of Indian Princes 1911, page 52, it is mentioned that Jadeja dynasty is decedents of Samma Rajputs of Sindh. In a different book titled "People of India Gujarat Part 1, volume XXII", authored by K. S. Singh, R. B. Lal, P. B. S. V Padmanabham, Gopal Krishnan and Md Azeez Mohidden. page 418, it is mentioned that Jadeja are descendants of Sambha (son of lord Krishna).

Caste of Manbai

Advising users to refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sitush/Common#Castelists guidelines for attributing a caste to Manbai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk • contribs) 17:49, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

I assume WP:Silence on topic of Manbai and hence it is ok to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk • contribs) 04:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Let's not defame a royal caste with great history just because of personal disputes

Some people are adding fake information here because of personal disputes.....in light of terms like rajputization ,which have no historical and any solid evidence (self made words ) Historianlucky (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Rajputization is a well documented phenomenon and is supported by multiple reliable sources.Chariotrider555 (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 05:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC) Again, all the reference you mentioned, doesn't have a single reference to Jadeja dynasty. Please stop polluting this page without any reference to the topic.

The sources talk about Rajputs as a whole, and given that Jadejas are Rajputs, the info about claimed ancestry prior to the 16th century applies to them as well. Chariotrider555 (talk) 05:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 06:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)Where in any of the reference document says that it applies to Jadeja dynasty? And I have quoted two books, one from british era by a well known author, and one post British era by group of surveyors both establishing pre 16th century lineage between Samma dynasty of Sindh and Jadeja dynasty. Please don't make baseless inferences without direct referece.

The sources I cited for claimed Rajput ancestry prior to the 16th century applies to ALL Rajputs. Since Jadejas are Rajputs, the sources apply to Jadejas as well. And can you please cite your sources here in the talk page so we know exactly what sources you are talking about. Also, be sure to read [[3]]. The sources you provided for Ajay Jadeja do not even provide his self-identification as a Jadeja. You will need to provide a source that states he self-identifies as a Jadeja. British Raj era sources are not considered reliable for history of castes. Chariotrider555 (talk) 13:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC) Where does your source say it applies to all Rajput traditions apply to Jadeja dynasty? Kindly provide reference. For Ajay Jadeja, there is a saperate section on this talk page. His last name is Jadeja, what do you mean by he doesn't identify himself as a Jadeja?

Again see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. Here are some more sources about how Rajputs fabricated their lineages to Hindu kshatriya lineages. Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

So is it necessary to mention this in all rajpit clan pages? And where does your sources mention this specific clan? Sungpeshwe9 (talk) 17:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 02:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

As long is there is an ancestry claim to an ancient lineage on a Rajput page, it needs to state that such claims are fabricated and untrue. Claiming descent from such lineages is a central part of Rajput identity, in fact it is why they are called Rajput. This needs to be done in order to not use Wikipedia as a platform for caste promotion dictated by only the version of history the caste itself claims. Chariotrider555 (talk) 17:59, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC) @chariotrider555 I gave you two references showing lineage pre 16th century to Samma dynasty. There is equal amount of negative material still there in the article, which no one is disputing since it is well referenced. I am very objectively requesting you to back your material with direct reference, which you are unable to do so far. I have given you reference that counter your claims, that directly mentions Jadeja dynasty. It is you who seems to settle personal score against a community in this article. Let us please rest the topic unless you have a direct reference for Jadeja dynasty.

Again, I cannot know what sources you are talking about unless you cite them here. I am not going to go search for them. Chariotrider555 (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

And when I talk about fabricated claims, I am specifically talking about Jadejas descending from Krishna or the Chandravanshi/Somavanshi/Yaduvanshi. Rajput descent from those dynasties are completely fabricated as I have cited above. Chariotrider555 (talk) 00:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC) I think you don't understand English language. The article says that "They claimed legendary descent from Krishna" which is different from than saying they descended from Krishna. Hope that helps. references: 1) British Era: PURSHOTTAM VISHRAM MAWJEE with title Imperial Durbar Album of Indian Princes 1911, page 52. it is mentioned that Jadeja dynasty is decedents of Samma Rajputs of Sindh. 2) Post British Era: "People of India Gujarat Part 1, volume XXII", authored by K. S. Singh, R. B. Lal, P. B. S. V Padmanabham, Gopal Krishnan and Md Azeez Mohidden. page 418, it is mentioned that Jadeja are descendants of Sambha (son of lord Krishna) Please don't say it again that British raj era books are not counted, without any reference. We will be going in circles in that case, and you would be indulging in Vandalism on Wikipedia.

Again, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sitush/Common#CasteAFDs. British Raj era and the People of India Series are not considered reliable sources. Also please format your citations correctly so that they are more easily readable. Chariotrider555 (talk) 01:47, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 02:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC) So you are referring me to another wiki page where someone arbitrarily decided without any reference on why British Era documents about caste is not considered genuine. Please stop shadow linking. I have given you the reference here upon your request. It was in the right format when I added them in the main article, but you reverted that edit. You should have checked it before reverting. No one is here to serve your wishes, especially when you are not objective in your work and are trying to settle personal vendetta.

This is not an arbitrary decision. This was made with the consensus of editors as seen here [[4]]. If you cannot find any modern, academically published, secondary reliable sources to back up claims, they do not belong here. Chariotrider555 (talk) 02:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 02:55, 9 December 2020 (UTC) There is post British era reference too, if you are bothered in finding facts. Plus, the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sitush/Common#CasteAFDs is referring to caste, not dynasty. Please don't use your imagination, and provide actual direct references.

The People of India series is also not considered a reliable source, as they plaigarize British raj era sources. Jadeja is a dynasty and a caste do if you did not realize. The Jadeja dynasty doesn't exist today as royalty has been abolished in India, but their caste still lives on. Chariotrider555 (talk) 03:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

How are british sources not reliable? Sungpeshwe9 (talk) 04:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 02:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

No, sources from the British raj era about castes are not reliable except for very certain circumstances. The "People of India" series is also considered unreliable as it plagiarizes those British Raj era sources. Full reasons can be read here [[5]] and here [[6]]. Chariotrider555 (talk) 04:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC) No, Jadeja is not a caste, Chariotrider555 is just gaslighting this article with random baseless statements without any reference. I don't want to waste my time with Chariotrider555. Anything that contradicts this account's fantasy is not a reliable source. Everything that this account fantasize doesn't need a direct source, but has to be taken as a gospel by rest of the world. I am reporting Chariotrider555 for Spam and Vandalism on Wikipedia.

In case you didn't know, content disputes do not qualify as vandalism on Wikipedia. I have provided several references stating Jadeja descent from Krishna and the Chandravanshi is a fabrication, as all Rajputs do. Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:11, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 23:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC) Name one direct reference Chariotrider555 that mentions Jadeja dynasty is coming out of peasants as you have repeatedly reverted the article into, please don't shift the goal post constantly. I have already educated you that The article says that "They claimed legendary descent from Krishna" which is different from than saying they descended from Krishna. I think you should take basic English writing course before taking up task to edit articles on such widely used platform.

I have never said that Jadejas originated from peasants. Here is what I want to be put in the article

"They claimed descent from Krishna and the Chandravanshi/Yaduvanshi dynasty. However, historians state that such illustrious descent has no historical basis, and was fabricated by Brahmins, genealogists, and mythographers in order to give mainly low caste illiterate warriors greater status and prestige in a process called Rajputization."

--Chariotrider555 (talk) 00:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Also Rajputs are not Kshatriya, as per the sources I listed in my quote. Please stop changing the article's content on a topic being discussed on the talk page. Chariotrider555 (talk) 01:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 01:40, 10 December 2020 (UTC) None of the references you mentioned has mention of Jadeja in it. Chariotrider555 can take this content to Rajput article, since it seems more appropriate for that and as there is no Jadeja specific reference you have been able to quote. Rajputs and Kshtriya are used interchangeably . Again, please take English course, if you can Chariotrider555 to understand meaning of word "claim".

The Rajput article already came to a consensus that Rajputs are not Kshatriyas and fabricated their claims to be Kshatriya. I have provided several sources which prove this, and since Jadejas fall under the category of Rajputs, they too are subject to this content. Chariotrider555 (talk) 01:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 02:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC) this article is about Jadeja. Unless you have a direct reference to Jadeja community, dynasty; please add your research work into other articles. Rajput community is not a monolith, one more time. I have added a clear reference that Rajput and Kshatriya are used interchangeably.

References

Comments by Heba Aisha

Extended content

Sharma, Lt-Col Gautam (1990). Valour and Sacrifice. Allied Publishers Limited. p. 123. ISBN 817023140. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: length (help) OnlyTruthShallPrevail, if you are talking about this source. This is a poor quality source which couldn't be compared to high quality sources from historians like Satish chandra and Andre wink.It is a book about Indian army and it has no comparison with scholarly sources from international institutes which explicitly says the other way. The Rajputs as per those sources are a community formed from the amalgamation of Shudra and Tribals. Racially, many of them could be compared to aboriginal tribes.Its Sanskritisation (which is observed in almost all community) through which they claim lineage from mythical heroes, just like any other community does. Heba Aisha (talk) 17:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC) }Heba Aisha What gives you right to arbitrate which material is more reliable? Besides, I have repeatedly request to provide a single quote from Andre Wink or others that you and Chariotrider555 are misusing, that mentions Jadeja. So far I haven't seen anything, yet both of you keep reverting it to the your opinions rather than fact. I am glad that you filed for WP:ARE. Let's close this over there now. Again, this article is not about Rajput's in general by specific to Jadeja dynasty. Hence Kindly requesting you to update Rajput page with your references, instead of ganging up with Chariotrider555 to bully me.

The sources are applicable to all Rajput clans of which Jadeja is a part.And it donot specifically tells about any particular clan as it covers all major and minor clans. Also, what you are not trying to understand is difference between history books and a casually written book on any other topic.Heba Aisha (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

--OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 05:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC) Please don't assume all Rajput customs are applicable to every group. There are Hindu Rajput, there are Muslim Rajput, and there are groups that don't have any lineage to a king that claims to be as Rajput. So your opinion is neither backed by any direct reference or folklores or ground reality.

Not all characteristics of Rajput automatically apply to Jadeja

There is a section in the article currently, that has some material on Rajputization concept coined by Koyal Shivaji and other authors. However, none of the sources quoted mentiones anything about Jadeja dynasty. Since, it is not directly attributed to Jadeja by any authors, I dont think it belongs here.

There was some argument presented by some editors, that since Jadeja is Rajput clan; all good, bad and specially ugly attributes of Rajputs apply to Jadeja. I am not sure why only this ugliest aspect is being selectively applied, and not the other better ones. Just to present a logic here, we all know Oklahoma is state of United State, so it is part of US. Just like Jadeja dynasty is part of Rajputs. Now, US has two coasts; but we can't say that Oklahoma too has two coasts. Hence, I am requesting to repeal Rajputization related text from the article on the ground of no relevance and lack of direct reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk • contribs) 04:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

There is a logical flaw in your argument about the US. US has two coasts applies only to US as a whole geographically. "US has two coasts" is not the same as saying "US states have two coasts" which is what the rajput argument is. The correct analogy is this: " Humans have their origin on earth" is a general statement. If some tribe in Africa , is human but claims that they have descended from aliens, then on their wikipedia page, we need to write their claim but also add that since they are humans , the have their origin on earth. The tribe cannot argue that their name was not specifically mentioned in the statement that " humans have their origin on earth".LukeEmily (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so since Jadeja are Rajputs and Rajputs are humans too, let’s add material from Homo Sapiens here too. Why not? However, we only have kept Rajputization here selectively. Not that they are from earth and other stuff that applies to humans. OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 06:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

It is not added selectively. It is added because of claim of descent from a universally accepted Kshatriya (Lord Krishna). If they claimed that they were humans of alien descent, then we would have had to add that humans are from planet earth. Otherwise there is no need to add they are from planet earth.LukeEmily (talk) 06:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Which Jadeja king was a peasant specifically? OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 07:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't know. Checked the sources - they have pastoral origin which is similar to peasant.LukeEmily (talk) 11:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Jamshed

I agree with removing Krishna from the lede and also removing Jamshed. Both are legendary figures. It makes no sense to put that in the lede, along with Krishna. I am fine to put these legends in the body of the text, but not in the lede. This violates WP:Lede. The lede should not only be accurate, but should focus on the reader. desmay (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't see that mention of Jamshed in lead violates MOS:LEAD anyhow. Heba Aisha (talk) 03:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

None of those sources about Jamshed appear to be clear. Do Muslim Jadeja claim Jamshed claim, and Hindu Jadeja claim Krishna origin? It needs to be specified.117.198.113.16 (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 January 2021

43.241.145.53 (talk) 10:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
   

x

According to the sociologist Lyla Mehta, the Jadeja were Hindu descendents of a Muslim tribe that had migrated from Sindh to Kutch.[28] They originated from pastoral communities and laid a claim on the Rajput identity after marriages with Sodha Rajput women.[29]

Gujarat's Jadeja Rajputs were called "half-Muslim" and they employed Muslim African Siddi slaves for cooking.[30]

y there is nothing like this jadeja always fight against muslim so how you tell that jadeja was half muslim. sow me the source of jadeja was half muslim

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Chariotrider555 (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

According to Abhesang barot the writer of the book Jadeja vansh and vasundhara , duleray karani the writer of book kutch kaladhar and even in yaduvansh prakash book and other old sources of bhatts , the Jadeja are an community originating in India who claim to be descended from the lord Krishna and thus to belong to the Yaduvanshi Rajputs, who in turn form a part of the Chandravanshi (Lunar Dynasty).They are one of the 36 dynasties of old tracing their origins to Lord Krishna.Jadejas belong to the Atri Gotra therefore follow the teachings of Atri, one of the Saptarishis seven great Sages of Hinduism. Atri was instrumental in the Kurukshetra war as he advised Dronacharya.This Genealogy is still maintained today, by the Barots of respective Jadeja Branches,and every single person in Jadeja clan can trace their ancestry through krishna to Jam Rato Raydhun. viraditya (talk) 11:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

In vikram samvat 683, present day egypt was called ‘missar’, and there was one state in missar called “shonitpur”, which was rulled by great king Jam Devendra Sama.His fore father were given title ‘Jam’ by emperor of Iran.Inthat year v.s.683, Sonitpur was attacked by Omar Khalifa, and King Devendra was defeated in that battle of sonitpur.Omar Khalifa offered the eldest son Aspat of Devendra the Throne of Sonitpur with the condition that Aspat will have to convert to Islam. So Aspat converted to Islam and became king of sonitpur. Three other brothers Gajpat,Narpat and Bhupat refused to get converted to Islam and they migrated to present day Afghanistan. They captured Gazni by defeating king Firozshah. And Jam Narpat was made King of Gaznee. He ruled a major part of Afaghanistan from Gazni for 18 years. After that in a war with Badshah of Kabul,he was defeated and he became Martyr.His son Samaji migrated to present day Sindh. (Pakistan.) They were all called “Sama” Rajputs at that time. The King of Sama Rajput was called Jam.Since that many many generations of Sama Rajputs rulled Sindh.Thier capital was “Sama nagar” or ‘Nagar-Thaththa’,100 k.m. from Karachi.,still one can see remains of ThaThaa, about 100 k.m from Karachi.around 800 v.s. ,there was very famous samrat “lakho Ghuraro” who defeated the king of kABUL also.The eldest son of Lakho Ghuraro Jam Mod sama had captured Kutchha in v.s. 875, ‘Gutaree gadh’ was its capital at that time.After that Sama Rajputs ruled Kutchha for about 200 years till v.s. 1075. The son of Mod,jam Sad, constructed great fort “kanthkot”.The greatest Ruler was Jam Lakho Fulani who rulled for 99 yers, and became martyr in a battle with mulraj solanki in Atkot( 50 k.m from Rajkot)in v.s.1035. In v.s.1185, Jam Jadaji became king of Sama nagar,sindh. He had no sons. So he adopted two sons of his Younger brother Veraji; Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji. So The names of Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji were changed to Lakhaji ‘Jadeja’, means ‘son of Jadaji. Thereafter all descendents were named ‘Jadeja’, means sons of Jadaji. This Jam Lakhaji also called Lakha Jadani, captured again Kutchchha in v.s.1203 and established his capital in “lakhiyar veero” named after his younger brother Lakhiyarji. Jam Lakho jadani is attributed to the surname Jadeja being adopted for all his descendants. Lakho Jadani reigned in Kutch between AD 1147–1175 and had one heir to the gaddi (throne), Jam Rato Raydhan, Rato means Red in Kutchi and he was so called because he used to tie a red cloth across his turban to prevent it from dislodging during battles. Jam Rato Raydhan had four sons namely, J, Dedaji, Hothiji and Gajanji and Odhaji they were given the territories of , Kanthkot, Gajod and Bara and main capital lakhiyar veero respectively in Kutch. As Othaji was the youngest and even then he was selected as occupying the main crown by GURU MAMAIYA MATANG, he ascended to the throne and the rest became a part of Bhayyat or the Brotherhood, Bhayyat is the term used for all the descendants of the royal family who own and control their own domains allocated to them within the state and adhere to the feudal system. Over the years, there were constant skirmishes due to INJUSTICE to THE elder brothers by MAMA MATANG that marred within these houses, until they merged in two groups of Othaji and Gajanji. The first incident among these which changed the history of kutch is the murder of Jam Hamirji of Lakhiarviro, chief of YOUNGER branch of Jadeja and descendant of Othaji, by Jam Rawal of Bara-TERA. viraditya (talk) 11:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Jadejas dynasty ruled major parts of present day Gujarat,notably Kutch, Nawanagar, Rajkot, Morbi, Gondal and Dhrol. The dominant races in Kutch previous to the 9th century of Christian era were the Chavda, Kathees and Waghela, they ruled the western, central and the eastern parts of Kutch respectively. The reigning Prince of Nagar Thatta in Sindh towards the end of 8th century AD was Lakho Ghuraro. He had eight sons by two wives, the eldest son being Unad from the first wife and the other being Mod by a wife from Chawda tribe. As Unad was the eldest, he succeeded the throne by virtue of his primogeniture. Shortly afterwards brothers Mod and Manai started planning against the life of Unad in order to usurp his throne. However they did not succeed and found it necessary to go into exile with their followers to Kutch where they had maternal relations with the Chawda tribe.This was the first historically noted foray of Samma Rajputs of Sind in Kutch.After arrival in Kutch, Mod had a dispute with his maternal Uncle Chawda Whagum, The ruler of Eastern Kutch, and was killed by Mod, thereafter, Mod assumed the sovereignty of the province. There is no concrete information available for the period that followed except the names of the rulers up to five generations. They were Jam Mod, Jam Saad, Jam Phool, Jam Lakho Phoolani and Jam Pooeronjee. It is important to note here that Lakho Phoolani is the most revered and cherished warrior in the history of Kutch and Saurashtra. Jam Pooeronjee was a very cruel ruler and created despair and apathy among his dominion until he was killed by Jakhs. During this time the direct descendents of Jam Unad in Nagar Thatta Sind was Jam Jada, as he did not have any legitimate heir to the throne he adopted his brothers son Lakho, however, after adopting Lakho, Jam Jadas wife gave birth to a child named Ghao, As Jam Jada had already adopted lakho, he decided to divide his dominion equally among both his legitimate son Ghao and adopted son Lakho, however after the demise of Jam Jada, Ghao refused to give any share to Lakho and was forced to leave Sind with his twin brother Lakhiar and well wishers. Lakho and Lakhiar ventured into Kutch and slowly regained the territories in control of Chavdas, as Lakhiar was childless, Lakho named his territory after his brother and called it Lakhiarviro. As Lakho was adopted by Jam Jada, the descendants of this Lakho Jadani were called Jadejas. The name Jadeja means “Belonging to Jada” in the Sindhi and Kutchi language, and is pronounced as “Jaa day jaa. History viraditya (talk) 11:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Ashapura Maataji and Momai Maataji are Jadejas’ presiding deities. The Temple of Maa Aashapura is located in Mata no Madh about 100 kilometres north east of Bhuj.when Jadeja ruled nagar thatta (sindh) that time they worship hingalaj mataji. So that is tottaly false claim about muslim tribe and pastrol community. viraditya (talk) 11:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Defaming of Jadeja rajput community

This article is trying to defame jadeja rajput community for personal dispute. This is the case of sock puppetry and some fringe group edit this page for distorte the history of Jadeja community. This edited article violets the privacy policy of wikipedia. This edited article provoke for physical violation. If this will not remove by wikipedia administration then we will move to cyber crime police center. viraditya (talk) 10:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

This article try to defame Jadeja rajput community by some of the fringe group

The Jadeja are an community originating in India who claim to be descended from the mythological Krishna and thus to belong to the Yaduvanshi Rajputs, who in turn form a part of the Chandravanshi (Lunar Dynasty).

ORIGIN

Jadejas dynasty ruled major parts of present day Gujarat, notably Kutch, Nawanagar, Rajkot, Morvi, Gondal and Dhrol. The dominant races in Kutch previous to the 9th century of Christian era were the Chavda, Kathees and Waghela, they ruled the western, central and the eastern parts of Kutch respectively. The reigning Prince of Nagar Thatta in Sindh towards the end of 8th century AD was Lakho Ghuraro. He had eight sons by two wives, the eldest son being Unad from the first wife and the other being Mod by a wife from Chawda tribe. As Unad was the eldest, he succeeded the throne by virtue of his primogeniture. Shortly afterwards brothers Mod and Manai started planning against the life of Unad in order to usurp his throne. However they did not succeed and found it necessary to go into exile with their followers to Kutch where they had maternal relations with the Chawda tribe. This was the first historically noted foray of Samma Rajputs of Sind in Kutch. After arrival in Kutch, Mod had a dispute with his maternal Uncle Chawda Whagum, The ruler of Eastern Kutch, and was killed by Mod, thereafter, Mod assumed the sovereignty of the province.

There is no concrete information available for the period that followed except the names of the rulers up to five generations. They were Jam Mod, Jam Saad, Jam Phool, Jam Lakho Phoolani and Jam Pooeronjee. It is important to note here that Lakho Phoolani is the most revered and cherished warrior in the history of Kutch and Saurashtra. Jam Pooeronjee was a very cruel ruler and created despair and apathy among his dominion until he was killed by Jakhs. During this time the direct descendents of Jam Unad in Nagar Thatta Sind was Jam Jada, as he did not have any legitimate heir to the throne he adopted his brothers son Lakho, however, after adopting Lakho, Jam Jadas wife gave birth to a child named Ghao, As Jam Jada had already adopted lakho, he decided to divide his dominion equally among both his legitimate son Ghao and adopted son Lakho, however after the demise of Jam Jada, Ghao refused to give any share to Lakho and was forced to leave Sind with his twin brother Lakhiar and well wishers. Lakho and Lakhiar ventured into Kutch and slowly regained the territories in control of Chavdas, as Lakhiar was childless, Lakho named his territory after his brother and called it Lakhiarviro. As Lakho was adopted by Jam Jada, the descendants of this Lakho Jadani were called Jadejas. The name Jadeja means "Belonging to Jada" in the Sindhi and Kutchi language, and is pronounced as "Jaa day jaa".

HISTORY A Jadeja dynasty ruled the princely state of Kutch between 1540 and 1948, at which time India became a republic. This state had been formed by king Khengarji I, who gathered under him twelve Jadeja noble landowning families, who were also related to him, as well as two noble families of the Waghela Rajput community. Khengarji and his successors retained the allegiance of these Bhayat (chieftains) until the mid-1700s.

In vikram samvat 683, present day egypt was called ‘missar’, and there was one state in missar called “shonitpur”, which was rulled by great king Jam Devendra Sama. His forefathers were given the title ‘Jam’ by emperor of Iran. In that year v.s.683, Sonitpur was attacked by Omar Khalifa, and King Devendra was defeated in that battle of sonitpur. Omar Khalifa offered the eldest son Aspat of Devendra the Throne of Sonitpur with the condition that Aspat will have to convert to Islam. So Aspat converted to Islam and became king of sonitpur. Three other brothers Gajpat, Narpat and Bhupat refused to get converted to Islam and they migrated to present day Afghanistan. They captured Gazni by defeating king Firozshah and Jam Narpat was made King of Gaznee. He ruled a major part of Afaghanistan from Gazni for 18 years. After that in a war with Badshah of Kabul, he was defeated and he became Martyr. His son Samaji migrated to present day Sindh (Pakistan). They were all called “Sama” Rajputs at that time. The King of Sama Rajput was called Jam. Since that many many generations of Sama Rajputs rulled Sindh. Thier capital was “Sama nagar” or ‘Nagar-Thaththa’, 100 k.m. from Karachi, still one can see remains of ThaThaa, about 100 k.m from Karachi.

Around 800 v.s. there was very famous samrat “lakho Ghuraro” who defeated the king of Kabul also. The eldest son of Lakho Ghuraro Jam Mod sama had captured Kutchha in v.s. 875, ‘Gutaree gadh’ was its capital at that time. After that, Sama Rajputs ruled Kutch for about 200 years till v.s. 1075. The son of Mod, Jam Sad, constructed great fort “Kanthkot”. The greatest Ruler was Jam Lakho Fulani who rulled for 99 yers, and became martyr in a battle with Mulraj Solanki in Atkot (50 k.m from Rajkot) in v.s.1035.

In v.s.1185, Jam Jadaji became king of Sama Nagar, Sindh. He had no sons. So he adopted two sons of his Younger brother Veraji; Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji. So The names of Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji were changed to Lakhaji ‘Jadeja’, means son of Jadaji. Thereafter all descendents were named ‘Jadeja’, means sons of Jadaji. This Jam Lakhaji also called Lakha Jadani, captured again Kutchchha in v.s.1203 and established his capital in “Lakhiyar Veero” named after his younger brother Lakhiyarji. Jam Lakho jadani is attributed to the surname Jadeja being adopted for all his descendants. Lakho Jadani reigned in Kutch between AD 1147–1175 and had one heir to the gaddi (throne), Jam Rato Raydhan, Rato means Red in Kutchi and he was so called because he used to tie a red cloth across his turban to prevent it from dislodging during battles. Jam Rato Raydhan had four sons namely, Jaedaji, Hothiji and Gajanji and Odhaji they were given the territories of Kanthkot, Gajod and Bara and main capital Lakhiyar Veero respectively in Kutch. As Othaji was the youngest and even then he was selected as occupying the main crown by GURU MAMAIYA MATANG, he ascended to the throne and the rest became a part of Bhayyat or the Brotherhood, Bhayyat is the term used for all the descendants of the royal family who own and control their own domains allocated to them within the state and adhere to the feudal system.

Over the years, there were constant skirmishes due to injustice to the elder brothers by Mama Matang that marred within these houses, until they merged in two groups of Othaji and Gajanji. The first incident among these which changed the history of Kutch is the murder of Jam Hamirji of Lakhiar Veero, chief of younger branch of Jadeja and descendant of Othaji, by Jam Rawal of Bara-tera. It is believed that Jam Rawal attributed the murder of his father Jam Lakhaji to Hamirji, as he was killed within the territory of Lakhiarviro, and on the pretense of resolving the dispute between the two branches, took a fake oath of Maa Aashapura, the supreme deity of Jadejas. He invited Hamirji for a meal and killed him by deceit. During this time Alioji and Khengarji, two sons of Hamirji were in Ahmedabad and escaped the complete destruction of the royal family perpetuated by Jam Rawal,thereafter Jam Rawal usurped the throne of Kutch and reigned with supreme authority. Thereafter Jam Rawal captured Majority of area Of Saurashtra by defeating all kings af that area and the great kingdom Nawanagar was established, the capital city was called Jamnagar, which is still a promonent city of Saurashtra. Jamnagar was founded by Jam Rawal on 7th day of shrawan mounth of first quarter of v.s. 1596. The Jam Rawal was never defeated in his life in any battle. In v.s.1606, Jam Rawal defeated combined forces of all kings of Saurashtra and Gujrat, even Sultan of Ahmedabad supported opposition by giving 140 guns, which Jam Rawal did not possess. Even Then Jam Rawal defeated all in great battle of “Mithoi”, the site near present day refinery of reliance. In that Battle the younger brother of Jam Rawal: Hardholji became Martyr. It was the great battle; “MITHOI BATTLE”. The combined forces of all kings of saurashtra and Gujrat with support of sultan of Ahmedabad, was about 2,50,000 in numbers and army of Jam Rawal was about 1,50,000. Combined forces had 140 big guns (Cannons), none in possession of Jam Rawal's army. There was a meeting of ‘think tank’ of Jam Rawal’s army before battle started, in which it was decided that we can only win the battle if we can neutralise the power of cannons if a particular screw is fitted at specific site of the cannon, a cannon cannot fire. So a huge meeting of all armymen of Jam Rawal's army was called, in which a ‘Beedu’ was circulated in which it was declared "Is there any brave Rajput who can fit a screw in all the 140 big guns of combined enemy forces, That brave Rajput will be awarded with 12 villages", according to the principles of ‘beedu’, if nobody accepts that challenge, then a holi brahmin-man is killed in front of whole meeting and the ‘great sin’ of brahma-hatya applies to all the people present in the meeting. The beedu is circulated maximally four times, even then if no body accepts the challenge, a holy brahmin man is killed. Nobody took challenge till three rounds, but on the fourth circulation, one great brave man TOGAJI SODHA took up the challeng along with three JADEJA rajputs, and went to opposition camps in name of strangers, eager to know about the big-guns. With great bravery, chivalry and skills TOGAJI SODHA and his other three collegues, rendered all the 140 big guns of enemies totally useless. In later part, when enemies realised, there was fierce fight between soldiers of enemies and these brave 4 persons of Army of Jam Rawal. There were 84 wounds in body of TOGAJI SODHA ,when he came back after successfully completing the task of desarming all the 140 big guns. TOGAJI SODHA was one of the greatest war hero of that century in the world at that time, Jam Rawals army had quite few of them. There was a great panic in the camp of combined forces once they realised that only 4 soldiers of Jam Rawal's army destroyed all of our guns, then what will happen if all 1,50,000 soldiers come to fight us. As a last resort, a huge meeting of all 2,50,000 soldiers of combined forces was called and acting in same way as Jam Rawal’s strategy, they also circulated a ‘beedu’, that 'Is there any brave person in our clan who can bring the severed head of Jam Rawal?' A soldier named Karsanji took up the challenge. Karsanji went by putting a white flag on his ‘bhalo’ (spear). A white cloth suggests that ‘we want to surrender!’, so he was allowed to go to deepest part of army camp of Jam Rawal. Karsanji insisted that he will personally hand over the message to Jam Rawal only, not to anyone else. HARDHOLJI, younger brother of Jam Rawal, and also commander of Jam Rawal’s army, told Karsanji that he was Jam Rawal, give me ur message. Karsanji thoght he was Jam Rawal, and immediately took his spear and stuck a blow on Hardholji and he was severely hurt and later died and became martyr. Jam Rawal was very furious and ordered to kill Karsanji, but by that time Karsanji ran very very fast on his horse and went out of army camp. There was a young boy of 16 years name Meramanji Hala (a sub-branch of jadeja rajputs) was busy bathing his horse in river ‘SINHAN’, name of his horse was “Patti”, a female horse. He heard the noise and saw a person running away and hundreds of people shouting and running after him. He soon realised and immediately took his horse and ran after enemy soldier Karsanji. There was a great race and still some good distance was there between him and enemy. In between came river-pit some 50 feet wide, MERAMANJI asked his horse ‘patti’, that ‘this is the time of test of bravery for Hala clan of Jadeja, and it is in ur hand’. Patti jumped 50 feet river-pit and Meramanji Hala jadeja stood up on horse and threw his spear on Karsanji. The spear of Karsanji pierced through Karsanji's heart, his horse and went deep into the soil. This was the force of one of the greatest warroirs of the century Meramanji Hala Jadeja. Then thousands of soldiers and Jam Rawal came and saw the bravery, chivalry of Meramanji. Jam Rawal was never a poet, but after seeing this great bravery, there were spontaneous words from mouth of Jam Rawal ”HALAJI TARA HATH VAKHANU KE PATTI TARA PAGALA VAKHANU” (What to praise? Whether I should praise the hands of Meramanji Halaji or the legs of Patti horse! I am confused), and these words became the words of great bravery song of Gujrati Language, inspiring lacs and crores of people since centuries to fight for the Nation.

Lakhaji after hard fighting with Sanghers won and consolidated both the fiefs in to an estate which he named HALAR, after the son of Gajanji of Bara and his forefather Halaji, however in doing so, he had invited a lot of bad blood within the newly claimed territory, and on one occasion, was followed by Sanghers on his visit to his paternal place of Bara in Kutch, while passing through Lakhiarviro, he had doubts about the hospitality of Hamirji and decided to pass the night in the village on the outskirts, where he was murdered by the posse that had followed him. Jam Rawal, son of Lakhaji lay the blame on Hamirji, as his father was killed within the territory of Lakhiarviro, and was intent on revenging his fathers death, over the time, on pretense of resolving the dispute between the two branches, Rawal started developing amicable relations with Hamirji, with intention to one day avenge the murder of his father, on one such visit to Lakhiarviro, he invited Jam Hamirji to Bara, and took a fake oath of Maa Aashapura, he supreme deity of Jadejas, Jam Hamirji saw a chance to settle the dispute and decided to accept the invitation, however the Women of the house sensed a bad premonition and held the young princes back Khengarji and Alioji, instead Jam Hamiji visited with his trusted aide, after the meal, alone and surrounded by Jam Raawals men, he and the aide were both hacked to death by Jam Rawal.

Hardholji was made king of Dhrol state by Jam Rawal in 1575 itself. After Jam Rawal, Jam Vibhaji became King of Nawanagar. After vibhaji, Jam Sataji-1 became the king of Nawanagar. He was a very great warrior and defeated great Emperor Akbar of Delhi twice in the battle of Junagadh near 'Majevadi' village ground in v.s. 1633, Jam Sattaji defeated the Moghul Akbar’s army chasing Muzaffarshah-III who was defeated in a battle with moghul army. 3335 horses and 52 elephants of Moghul army were captured by Jam Sattaji’s Commander in chief Bhanji Dal. Keeping this insult in mind, Akbar attacked Jam Sattaji in 1640 once again near 'Tamachan' village (at present near Und irrigation dam) and once again Akbar’s army was badly defeated. The very very furious Akbar dismssed suba of Ahmedabd and Aziz Koko was appointed as the new governor ‘subo’ of Ahmedabad, Gujrat and Jam Sattaji was attacked with a huge army of 90,000 soldiers. In this famous battle ‘Bhucharmori’, near Dhrol, Jam Sattaji was defeated, but akbar had to compromise with this famous king Jam Sattaji just one and half year later and again Jam Sattaji was the king of Nawanagar. Even in his famous book ”Akbarnaama”, Akbar wrote "Satta was very powerful and notorious keeping an army of 30,000". After defeating Akbar's army in v.s.1633, in battle of Majevadi, Junagadh, Jam Sattaji was given the title of ”Paschim Bharat ko Badshah” by local people and local poets etc.

The Khengarji, who was inheriting Kutch, was only 15 years old when his father was murdered. He enlisted into the army of Mahmud Begada. During one Royal Hunting party, Khengar killed a lion and saved the life of Sultan for which he was asked to name his reward, the prime ambition of Khengar was to regain Kutch and hence he asked for support to fight Jam Rawal, whereby, he was given 1000 soldiers and complete access to Morvi and given a title of Rao by the sultan Mohamad of Ahmedabad. Rao Khengar with the support of well wishers within Kutch and Morvi fought with Jam Rawal and slowly started gaining the territories of Rapar and nearby villages, as Khengar was the rightful heir to the throne he was welcomed and dissent towards Jam Rawal grew within the state of Kutch. Jam Rawal was ardent devotee of Maa Ashapura, and it is believed that the Goddess indicated Jam Rawal to leave Kutch and establish himself at Halar (Saurashtra), and that she will support him in this venture. Jam Rawal set out for Saurashtra and established himself at Nawanagar. Khengar became the 1st Rao of Kutch in AD 1549 and established Bhuj as Capital. viraditya (talk) 10:42, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Jadeja Real history

According to Abhesang barot the writer of the book Jadeja vansh and vasundhara , duleray karani the writer of book kutch kaladhar and even in yaduvansh prakash book and other old sources of bhatts , the Jadeja are an community originating in India who descended from the lord Krishna and thus to belong to the Yaduvanshi Rajputs, who in turn form a part of the Chandravanshi (Lunar Dynasty).They are one of the 36 dynasties of old tracing their origins to Lord Krishna.Jadejas belong to the Atri Gotra therefore follow the teachings of Atri, one of the Saptarishis seven great Sages of Hinduism. Atri was instrumental in the Kurukshetra war as he advised Dronacharya.This Genealogy is still maintained today, by the Barots of respective Jadeja Branches,and every single person in Jadeja clan can trace their ancestry through krishna to Jam Rato Raydhun. viraditya (talk) 11:22, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Jadeja real history

In vikram samvat 683, present day egypt was called ‘missar’, and there was one state in missar called “shonitpur”, which was rulled by great king Jam Devendra Sama.His fore father were given title ‘Jam’ by emperor of Iran.Inthat year v.s.683, Sonitpur was attacked by Omar Khalifa, and King Devendra was defeated in that battle of sonitpur.Omar Khalifa offered the eldest son Aspat of Devendra the Throne of Sonitpur with the condition that Aspat will have to convert to Islam. So Aspat converted to Islam and became king of sonitpur. Three other brothers Gajpat,Narpat and Bhupat refused to get converted to Islam and they migrated to present day Afghanistan. They captured Gazni by defeating king Firozshah. And Jam Narpat was made King of Gaznee. He ruled a major part of Afaghanistan from Gazni for 18 years. After that in a war with Badshah of Kabul,he was defeated and he became Martyr.His son Samaji migrated to present day Sindh. (Pakistan.) They were all called “Sama” Rajputs at that time. The King of Sama Rajput was called Jam.Since that many many generations of Sama Rajputs rulled Sindh.Thier capital was “Sama nagar” or ‘Nagar-Thaththa’,100 k.m. from Karachi.,still one can see remains of ThaThaa, about 100 k.m from Karachi.around 800 v.s. ,there was very famous samrat “lakho Ghuraro” who defeated the king of kABUL also.The eldest son of Lakho Ghuraro Jam Mod sama had captured Kutchha in v.s. 875, ‘Gutaree gadh’ was its capital at that time.After that Sama Rajputs ruled Kutchha for about 200 years till v.s. 1075. The son of Mod,jam Sad, constructed great fort “kanthkot”.The greatest Ruler was Jam Lakho Fulani who rulled for 99 yers, and became martyr in a battle with mulraj solanki in Atkot( 50 k.m from Rajkot)in v.s.1035. In v.s.1185, Jam Jadaji became king of Sama nagar,sindh. He had no sons. So he adopted two sons of his Younger brother Veraji; Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji. So The names of Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji were changed to Lakhaji ‘Jadeja’, means ‘son of Jadaji. Thereafter all descendents were named ‘Jadeja’, means sons of Jadaji. This Jam Lakhaji also called Lakha Jadani, captured again Kutchchha in v.s.1203 and established his capital in “lakhiyar veero” named after his younger brother Lakhiyarji. Jam Lakho jadani is attributed to the surname Jadeja being adopted for all his descendants. Lakho Jadani reigned in Kutch between AD 1147–1175 and had one heir to the gaddi (throne), Jam Rato Raydhan, Rato means Red in Kutchi and he was so called because he used to tie a red cloth across his turban to prevent it from dislodging during battles. Jam Rato Raydhan had four sons namely, J, Dedaji, Hothiji and Gajanji and Odhaji they were given the territories of , Kanthkot, Gajod and Bara and main capital lakhiyar veero respectively in Kutch. As Othaji was the youngest and even then he was selected as occupying the main crown by GURU MAMAIYA MATANG, he ascended to the throne and the rest became a part of Bhayyat or the Brotherhood, Bhayyat is the term used for all the descendants of the royal family who own and control their own domains allocated to them within the state and adhere to the feudal system. Over the years, there were constant skirmishes due to INJUSTICE to THE elder brothers by MAMA MATANG that marred within these houses, until they merged in two groups of Othaji and Gajanji. The first incident among these which changed the history of kutch is the murder of Jam Hamirji of Lakhiarviro, chief of YOUNGER branch of Jadeja and descendant of Othaji, by Jam Rawal of Bara-TERA. viraditya (talk) 11:23, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Jadeja real history

Jadejas dynasty ruled major parts of present day Gujarat,notably Kutch, Nawanagar, Rajkot, Morbi, Gondal and Dhrol. The dominant races in Kutch previous to the 9th century of Christian era were the Chavda, Kathees and Waghela, they ruled the western, central and the eastern parts of Kutch respectively. The reigning Prince of Nagar Thatta in Sindh towards the end of 8th century AD was Lakho Ghuraro. He had eight sons by two wives, the eldest son being Unad from the first wife and the other being Mod by a wife from Chawda tribe. As Unad was the eldest, he succeeded the throne by virtue of his primogeniture. Shortly afterwards brothers Mod and Manai started planning against the life of Unad in order to usurp his throne. However they did not succeed and found it necessary to go into exile with their followers to Kutch where they had maternal relations with the Chawda tribe.This was the first historically noted foray of Samma Rajputs of Sind in Kutch.After arrival in Kutch, Mod had a dispute with his maternal Uncle Chawda Whagum, The ruler of Eastern Kutch, and was killed by Mod, thereafter, Mod assumed the sovereignty of the province. There is no concrete information available for the period that followed except the names of the rulers up to five generations. They were Jam Mod, Jam Saad, Jam Phool, Jam Lakho Phoolani and Jam Pooeronjee. It is important to note here that Lakho Phoolani is the most revered and cherished warrior in the history of Kutch and Saurashtra. Jam Pooeronjee was a very cruel ruler and created despair and apathy among his dominion until he was killed by Jakhs. During this time the direct descendents of Jam Unad in Nagar Thatta Sind was Jam Jada, as he did not have any legitimate heir to the throne he adopted his brothers son Lakho, however, after adopting Lakho, Jam Jadas wife gave birth to a child named Ghao, As Jam Jada had already adopted lakho, he decided to divide his dominion equally among both his legitimate son Ghao and adopted son Lakho, however after the demise of Jam Jada, Ghao refused to give any share to Lakho and was forced to leave Sind with his twin brother Lakhiar and well wishers. Lakho and Lakhiar ventured into Kutch and slowly regained the territories in control of Chavdas, as Lakhiar was childless, Lakho named his territory after his brother and called it Lakhiarviro. As Lakho was adopted by Jam Jada, the descendants of this Lakho Jadani were called Jadejas. The name Jadeja means “Belonging to Jada” in the Sindhi and Kutchi language, and is pronounced as “Jaa day jaa. viraditya (talk) 11:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Real history of Jadeja

Ashapura Maataji and Momai Maataji are Jadejas’ presiding deities. The Temple of Maa Aashapura is located in Mata no Madh about 100 kilometres north east of Bhuj.when Jadeja ruled nagar thatta (sindh) that time they worship hingalaj mataji. viraditya (talk) 11:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Jadeja stole origin from Lohana's sub tribe Samma

This is serious but fact base allegation that Jadeja claim that they are descendants of Samma but accroding to Chachnama Samma belongs to Lohana.[7]. Henry Miers Elliot also note this Samma were Lohana.[8] Historian Chintaman Vinayak Vaidya also confirm Samma were Lohana.[[9]]

Is this a wikipedia article or a hit piece on Jadeja dynasty?

Multiple references are provided above in past reveision that counters the origins of Jadeja dynasty that is mentioned in the main article. I see that multiple editors who corrected the history eventually ended up getting cancelled from the platform on grounds of technicality. Just an observation on the merit of the article. I am researching on history of Kutch and Sindh are for a thesis, and most of the material or reference used currently in the article doesn't seem to match the written Kutchi and Gujarati history of the Jadeja dynasty. It seems like left academia has done some hit pieces on this dynasty, and they are literally taken as gospel on the subject and there is no place to consider history wirtten by natives of the region. Hope better sense will prevail and some other perspectives, with well sourced reference will also allowed to be added.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 May 2021

2402:8100:3997:ACE:845C:1024:FAC4:9050 (talk) 09:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Jadeja is a yaduvanshi khatriy

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2021

Information provided is not authentic, please remove it, 123.201.44.88 (talk) 07:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2021

The Jadeja Rajputs inhabited about 700 villages in Saurashtra and at the time of independence about 2300 villages were ruled by them. In Gujarat, it is believed that people can wake up early in the morning and get blessings by touching Jadeja's feet in villages where there is no temple of Lord Krishna. Jay mataji 74336 (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 June 2021

The Jadeja dynasty rules the Zuzaru dynasty in the Kutch and Saurashtra regions of Gujarat. The Jadeja dynasty originates from the Chandravanshi Kshatriya dynasty and is believed to have originated from the Yadukul dynasty. Jadeja Chudasama Bhati Jadun The four clans are different branches of the Yaduvansh which originated from the Yaduvansh at different times. The Jadeja dynasty is considered to be the largest Rajput dynasty of Gujarat.The Jadeja Rajputs inhabited about 700 villages in Saurashtra and at the time of independence about 2300 villages were ruled by them. In Gujarat, it is believed that people can wake up early in the morning and get blessings by touching Jadeja's feet in villages where there is no temple of Lord Krishna. Jay mataji 74336 (talk) 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Please clearly indicate what you would like changed (as in "change X to Y") and please provide reliable sources.--RegentsPark (comment) 17:34, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 July 2021

The Jadeja dynasty rules the Zuzaru dynasty in the Kutch and Saurashtra regions of Gujarat. The Jadeja dynasty originates from the Chandravanshi Kshatriya dynasty and is believed to have originated from the Yadukul dynasty. Jadeja Chudasama Bhati Jadun The four clans are different branches of the Yaduvansh which originated from the Yaduvansh at different times. The Jadeja dynasty is considered to be the largest Rajput dynasty of Gujarat.The Jadeja Rajputs inhabited about 700 villages in Saurashtra and at the time of independence about 2300 villages were ruled by them. In Gujarat, it is believed that people can wake up early in the morning and get blessings by touching Jadeja's feet in villages where there is no temple of Lord Krishna. Jay mataji 74336 (talk) 13:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

The Jadeja dynasty rules the Zuzaru dynasty in the Kutch and Saurashtra regions of Gujarat. The Jadeja dynasty originates from the Chandravanshi Kshatriya dynasty and is believed to have originated from the Yadukul dynasty. Jadeja Chudasama Bhati Jadun The four clans are different branches of the Yaduvansh which originated from the Yaduvansh at different times. The Jadeja dynasty is considered to be the largest Rajput dynasty of Gujarat.The Jadeja Rajputs inhabited about 700 villages in Saurashtra and at the time of independence about 2300 villages were ruled by them. In Gujarat, it is believed that people can wake up early in the morning and get blessings by touching Jadeja's feet in villages where there is no temple of Lord Krishna. Jay mataji 74336 (talk) 13:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2021

In this artical it is said that The Jadeja (also spelled Jarejo) is a Rajput clan who claim to be descended from the legendary Jamshed of Iran. In fact The Jadejas know that They are Descents of THE LORD KRISHNA. And they do not claim to be Descended from Jamshed of Iran.For reference ask Any Real JADEJA 2409:4041:D86:3977:470:FBFF:FEB4:39D7 (talk) 19:35, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 July 2021

{{subst:trim|1= From Rama, all the tribes termed Sooryavansa, or 'Race of the Sun," claim descent, as the present princes of Méwar, Jeipoor, Marwar, Bikaner, and their numerous clans; while from the Lunar (Indu) line of Boodha and Crishna, the families of Jessulmér and Cutch (the Bhattis and Jaréja races),<ref> {{cite book}}: Empty citation (help) Jay mataji 74336 (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Morneo06 (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 July 2021

Jadeja is a Krishna vanshaj yaduvanshi Jay mataji 74336 (talk) 09:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Morneo06 (talk) 13:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

About jadeja rajput history

This information of Wikipedia about jadeja rajput history is wrong. Jadeja rajput is not descendant of jamshid of Iran. He is descendants of lord Krishna. So change the Wikipedia article about Jadeja rajput Jai mataji 🙏 JADEJA VISHVARAJSINH (talk) 05:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

JADEJA VISHVARAJSINH, the claim of descent from Krishna is mentioned in the article, as is its rejection by modern scholarship. Wikipedia articles are written as summaries of modern scholarly research, not folklore. Do you have reliable sources that contradict what is currently stated in the article? Wham2001 (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Jadeja

Yaduvanshi Rajput jadeja Jaddu007 (talk) 08:55, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 September 2021

Jaddu007 (talk) 08:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Yaduvanshi Rajput jadeja Jaddu007 (talk) 08:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. (pinging Jaddu007) — LauritzT (talk) 10:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 October 2021

2409:4053:2E8E:9A6A:0:0:F948:BB0B (talk) 09:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

They give totaly wrong information please change it...

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Jadeja Rajput is original chandrawanshi and descendents of lord Krishna. This Wikipedia is wrong.

Delete this wrong Wikipedia. 2405:205:C826:D961:0:0:1347:B0B0 (talk) 05:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Persistent addition of unsourced content

@Dank jadeja: Hello! I have this article on my watch list, and I have noticed that you are removing already-sourced information in the history section and replaced them with new content that you have failed to cite to reliable, published sources. You have also indicated in the edit summary that you have "fixed the wrong information" and replaced it with the "correct" one.

Please note that content on Wikipedia must be verifiable, meaning that a reader can easily track where information in the article is coming from, using references shown through in-line citations. We're not just concerned with getting the "correct" or "true" information out there; we're also concerned with making sure that information can easily be verified, to ensure good quality of our content. See also this essay on "verifiability, not truth".

Apart from our guidelines on verifiability, please take a look at our policy on original research as well. Thank you, and welcome to Wikipedia! ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 06:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Rajputra means the son of kings and the caste of the king varies.

jadeja is not a Krishna Vanshi, nor is Rajput a Vedic Kshatriya, it is a mixture of different Hindu castes that came in the medieval period! Jat and Rajput are a mixture of many Hindu castes. which originated in medieval times The word Jat is derived from the Sanskrit word Jatil which means /complex/ which means tangled, Jat and Rajput are a mixture of several Hindu castes. which only prevailed in the consolidation of the medieval period राजा वीर (talk) 16:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2024

A Jadeja dynasty ruled the princely state of Kutch between 1540 and 1948, at which time India became a republic. This state had been formed by king Khengarji I, who gathered under him twelve Jadeja noble landowning families, who were also related to him, as well as two noble families of the Waghela Rajput community. Khengarji and his successors retained the allegiance of these Bhayat (chieftains) until the mid-1700s.

In vikram samvat 683, present day egypt was called ‘missar’, and there was one state in missar called “shonitpur”, which was rulled by great king Jam Devendra Sama. His forefathers were given the title ‘Jam’ by emperor of Iran. In that year v.s.683, Sonitpur was attacked by Omar Khalifa, and King Devendra was defeated in that battle of sonitpur. Omar Khalifa offered the eldest son Aspat of Devendra the Throne of Sonitpur with the condition that Aspat will have to convert to Islam. So Aspat converted to Islam and became king of sonitpur. Three other brothers Gajpat, Narpat and Bhupat refused to get converted to Islam and they migrated to present day Afghanistan. They captured Gazni by defeating king Firozshah and Jam Narpat was made King of Gaznee. He ruled a major part of Afaghanistan from Gazni for 18 years. After that in a war with Badshah of Kabul, he was defeated and he became Martyr. His son Samaji migrated to present day Sindh (Pakistan). They were all called “Sama” Rajputs at that time. The King of Sama Rajput was called Jam. Since that many many generations of Sama Rajputs rulled Sindh. Thier capital was “Sama nagar” or ‘Nagar-Thaththa’, 100 k.m. from Karachi, still one can see remains of ThaThaa, about 100 k.m from Karachi.

Around 800 v.s. there was very famous samrat “lakho Ghuraro” who defeated the king of Kabul also. The eldest son of Lakho Ghuraro Jam Mod sama had captured Kutchha in v.s. 875, ‘Gutaree gadh’ was its capital at that time. After that, Sama Rajputs ruled Kutch for about 200 years till v.s. 1075. The son of Mod, Jam Sad, constructed great fort “Kanthkot”. The greatest Ruler was Jam Lakho Fulani who rulled for 99 yers, and became martyr in a battle with Mulraj Solanki in Atkot (50 k.m from Rajkot) in v.s.1035.

In v.s.1185, Jam Jadaji became king of Sama Nagar, Sindh. He had no sons. So he adopted two sons of his Younger brother Veraji; Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji. So The names of Lakhaji and Lakhiyarji were changed to Lakhaji ‘Jadeja’, means son of Jadaji. Thereafter all descendents were named ‘Jadeja’, means sons of Jadaji. This Jam Lakhaji also called Lakha Jadani, captured again Kutchchha in v.s.1203 and established his capital in “Lakhiyar Veero” named after his younger brother Lakhiyarji. Jam Lakho jadani is attributed to the surname Jadeja being adopted for all his descendants. Lakho Jadani reigned in Kutch between AD 1147–1175 and had one heir to the gaddi (throne), Jam Rato Raydhan, Rato means Red in Kutchi and he was so called because he used to tie a red cloth across his turban to prevent it from dislodging during battles. Jam Rato Raydhan had four sons namely, Jaedaji, Hothiji and Gajanji and Odhaji they were given the territories of Kanthkot, Gajod and Bara and main capital Lakhiyar Veero respectively in Kutch. As Othaji was the youngest and even then he was selected as occupying the main crown by GURU MAMAIYA MATANG, he ascended to the throne and the rest became a part of Bhayyat or the Brotherhood, Bhayyat is the term used for all the descendants of the royal family who own and control their own domains allocated to them within the state and adhere to the feudal system.

Over the years, there were constant skirmishes due to injustice to the elder brothers by Mama Matang that marred within these houses, until they merged in two groups of Othaji and Gajanji. The first incident among these which changed the history of Kutch is the murder of Jam Hamirji of Lakhiar Veero, chief of younger branch of Jadeja and descendant of Othaji, by Jam Rawal of Bara-tera. It is believed that Jam Rawal attributed the murder of his father Jam Lakhaji to Hamirji, as he was killed within the territory of Lakhiarviro, and on the pretense of resolving the dispute between the two branches, took a fake oath of Maa Aashapura, the supreme deity of Jadejas. He invited Hamirji for a meal and killed him by deceit. During this time Alioji and Khengarji, two sons of Hamirji were in Ahmedabad and escaped the complete destruction of the royal family perpetuated by Jam Rawal,thereafter Jam Rawal usurped the throne of Kutch and reigned with supreme authority. Thereafter Jam Rawal captured Majority of area Of Saurashtra by defeating all kings af that area and the great kingdom Nawanagar was established, the capital city was called Jamnagar, which is still a promonent city of Saurashtra. Jamnagar was founded by Jam Rawal on 7th day of shrawan mounth of first quarter of v.s. 1596. The Jam Rawal was never defeated in his life in any battle. In v.s.1606, Jam Rawal defeated combined forces of all kings of Saurashtra and Gujrat, even Sultan of Ahmedabad supported opposition by giving 140 guns, which Jam Rawal did not possess. Even Then Jam Rawal defeated all in great battle of “Mithoi”, the site near present day refinery of reliance. In that Battle the younger brother of Jam Rawal: Hardholji became Martyr. It was the great battle; “MITHOI BATTLE”. The combined forces of all kings of saurashtra and Gujrat with support of sultan of Ahmedabad, was about 2,50,000 in numbers and army of Jam Rawal was about 1,50,000. Combined forces had 140 big guns (Cannons), none in possession of Jam Rawal's army. There was a meeting of ‘think tank’ of Jam Rawal’s army before battle started, in which it was decided that we can only win the battle if we can neutralise the power of cannons if a particular screw is fitted at specific site of the cannon, a cannon cannot fire. So a huge meeting of all armymen of Jam Rawal's army was called, in which a ‘Beedu’ was circulated in which it was declared "Is there any brave Rajput who can fit a screw in all the 140 big guns of combined enemy forces, That brave Rajput will be awarded with 12 villages", according to the principles of ‘beedu’, if nobody accepts that challenge, then a holi brahmin-man is killed in front of whole meeting and the ‘great sin’ of brahma-hatya applies to all the people present in the meeting. The beedu is circulated maximally four times, even then if no body accepts the challenge, a holy brahmin man is killed. Nobody took challenge till three rounds, but on the fourth circulation, one great brave man TOGAJI SODHA took up the challeng along with three JADEJA rajputs, and went to opposition camps in name of strangers, eager to know about the big-guns. With great bravery, chivalry and skills TOGAJI SODHA and his other three collegues, rendered all the 140 big guns of enemies totally useless. In later part, when enemies realised, there was fierce fight between soldiers of enemies and these brave 4 persons of Army of Jam Rawal. There were 84 wounds in body of TOGAJI SODHA ,when he came back after successfully completing the task of desarming all the 140 big guns. TOGAJI SODHA was one of the greatest war hero of that century in the world at that time, Jam Rawals army had quite few of them. There was a great panic in the camp of combined forces once they realised that only 4 soldiers of Jam Rawal's army destroyed all of our guns, then what will happen if all 1,50,000 soldiers come to fight us. As a last resort, a huge meeting of all 2,50,000 soldiers of combined forces was called and acting in same way as Jam Rawal’s strategy, they also circulated a ‘beedu’, that 'Is there any brave person in our clan who can bring the severed head of Jam Rawal?' A soldier named Karsanji took up the challenge. Karsanji went by putting a white flag on his ‘bhalo’ (spear). A white cloth suggests that ‘we want to surrender!’, so he was allowed to go to deepest part of army camp of Jam Rawal. Karsanji insisted that he will personally hand over the message to Jam Rawal only, not to anyone else. HARDHOLJI, younger brother of Jam Rawal, and also commander of Jam Rawal’s army, told Karsanji that he was Jam Rawal, give me ur message. Karsanji thoght he was Jam Rawal, and immediately took his spear and stuck a blow on Hardholji and he was severely hurt and later died and became martyr. Jam Rawal was very furious and ordered to kill Karsanji, but by that time Karsanji ran very very fast on his horse and went out of army camp. There was a young boy of 16 years name Meramanji Hala (a sub-branch of jadeja rajputs) was busy bathing his horse in river ‘SINHAN’, name of his horse was “Patti”, a female horse. He heard the noise and saw a person running away and hundreds of people shouting and running after him. He soon realised and immediately took his horse and ran after enemy soldier Karsanji. There was a great race and still some good distance was there between him and enemy. In between came river-pit some 50 feet wide, MERAMANJI asked his horse ‘patti’, that ‘this is the time of test of bravery for Hala clan of Jadeja, and it is in ur hand’. Patti jumped 50 feet river-pit and Meramanji Hala jadeja stood up on horse and threw his spear on Karsanji. The spear of Karsanji pierced through Karsanji's heart, his horse and went deep into the soil. This was the force of one of the greatest warroirs of the century Meramanji Hala Jadeja. Then thousands of soldiers and Jam Rawal came and saw the bravery, chivalry of Meramanji. Jam Rawal was never a poet, but after seeing this great bravery, there were spontaneous words from mouth of Jam Rawal ”HALAJI TARA HATH VAKHANU KE PATTI TARA PAGALA VAKHANU” (What to praise? Whether I should praise the hands of Meramanji Halaji or the legs of Patti horse! I am confused), and these words became the words of great bravery song of Gujrati Language, inspiring lacs and crores of people since centuries to fight for the Nation.

Lakhaji after hard fighting with Sanghers won and consolidated both the fiefs in to an estate which he named HALAR, after the son of Gajanji of Bara and his forefather Halaji, however in doing so, he had invited a lot of bad blood within the newly claimed territory, and on one occasion, was followed by Sanghers on his visit to his paternal place of Bara in Kutch, while passing through Lakhiarviro, he had doubts about the hospitality of Hamirji and decided to pass the night in the village on the outskirts, where he was murdered by the posse that had followed him. Jam Rawal, son of Lakhaji lay the blame on Hamirji, as his father was killed within the territory of Lakhiarviro, and was intent on revenging his fathers death, over the time, on pretense of resolving the dispute between the two branches, Rawal started developing amicable relations with Hamirji, with intention to one day avenge the murder of his father, on one such visit to Lakhiarviro, he invited Jam Hamirji to Bara, and took a fake oath of Maa Aashapura, he supreme deity of Jadejas, Jam Hamirji saw a chance to settle the dispute and decided to accept the invitation, however the Women of the house sensed a bad premonition and held the young princes back Khengarji and Alioji, instead Jam Hamiji visited with his trusted aide, after the meal, alone and surrounded by Jam Raawals men, he and the aide were both hacked to death by Jam Rawal.

Hardholji was made king of Dhrol state by Jam Rawal in 1575 itself. After Jam Rawal, Jam Vibhaji became King of Nawanagar. After vibhaji, Jam Sataji-1 became the king of Nawanagar. He was a very great warrior and defeated great Emperor Akbar of Delhi twice in the battle of Junagadh near 'Majevadi' village ground in v.s. 1633, Jam Sattaji defeated the Moghul Akbar’s army chasing Muzaffarshah-III who was defeated in a battle with moghul army. 3335 horses and 52 elephants of Moghul army were captured by Jam Sattaji’s Commander in chief Bhanji Dal. Keeping this insult in mind, Akbar attacked Jam Sattaji in 1640 once again near 'Tamachan' village (at present near Und irrigation dam) and once again Akbar’s army was badly defeated. The very very furious Akbar dismssed suba of Ahmedabd and Aziz Koko was appointed as the new governor ‘subo’ of Ahmedabad, Gujrat and Jam Sattaji was attacked with a huge army of 90,000 soldiers. In this famous battle ‘Bhucharmori’, near Dhrol, Jam Sattaji was defeated, but akbar had to compromise with this famous king Jam Sattaji just one and half year later and again Jam Sattaji was the king of Nawanagar. Even in his famous book ”Akbarnaama”, Akbar wrote "Satta was very powerful and notorious keeping an army of 30,000". After defeating Akbar's army in v.s.1633, in battle of Majevadi, Junagadh, Jam Sattaji was given the title of ”Paschim Bharat ko Badshah” by local people and local poets etc.

The Khengarji, who was inheriting Kutch, was only 15 years old when his father was murdered. He enlisted into the army of Mahmud Begada. During one Royal Hunting party, Khengar killed a lion and saved the life of Sultan for which he was asked to name his reward, the prime ambition of Khengar was to regain Kutch and hence he asked for support to fight Jam Rawal, whereby, he was given 1000 soldiers and complete access to Morvi and given a title of Rao by the sultan Mohamad of Ahmedabad. Rao Khengar with the support of well wishers within Kutch and Morvi fought with Jam Rawal and slowly started gaining the territories of Rapar and nearby villages, as Khengar was the rightful heir to the throne he was welcomed and dissent towards Jam Rawal grew within the state of Kutch. Jam Rawal was ardent devotee of Maa Ashapura, and it is believed that the Goddess indicated Jam Rawal to leave Kutch and establish himself at Halar (Saurashtra), and that she will support him in this venture. Jam Rawal set out for Saurashtra and established himself at Nawanagar. Khengar became the 1st Rao of Kutch in AD 1549 and established Bhuj as Capital. 2409:4080:820E:BC3A:6AB3:E8A0:2A14:F00B (talk) 15:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This is just a cut and paste of [10] PianoDan (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)