Talk:Jacques Maritain

Mentor to Pope Paul VI

Doering, Bernard (ed.) (1994). The philosopher and the provocateur: the correspondence of Jacques Maritain and Saul Alinsky. Notre Dame: University of Notre Dame Press. ISBN 0-268-03802-3, pp. 73-74:

Msgr. Giovanni Battista Montini was undersecretary of state to Pope Pius XII when Maritain was French ambassador to the Vatican. As a young priest Montini had translated one of Maritains's books into Italian. During their Vatican years they became close friends. When Montini was archbishop of Milan, Maritain suggested that he consult Saul Alinsky about organizational techniques in order to resist the domination of the labor unions by the Italian Communist party. Montini often referred to Maritain as his "teacher" and later as Pope Paul VI he used Maritain's social and political thought as the foundation for his social encyclicals in which he quoted his old "master" directly. At the end of the end of the Second Vatican Council, Paul VI invited Maritain to take part in the closing ceremonies on the great dais before St. Peter's Basilica. By this time Maritain had entered the religious order of the Little Brothers of Jesus. The presence of this frail old man, clad in the simple grey suit of the Little Brothers, in the midst of all the ecclesiastical dignitaries, clad in their splendid vestments, seemed a bit anomalous. He had been invited by Paul VI to receive the council's message to the intellectuals of the world, which stressed the intrinsic compatibility and mutual understanding possible between secular knowledge and faith as servants of one another. It was read by Cardinal Liénart of Lille, after which Pope Paul VI, with deep emotion, placed the text in the hands of his friend Jacques Maritain.

Newross (talk) 14:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newross (talk • contribs)

Mélançon?

I removed the following from the lede, and I bring it here for discussion:

He is mentioned as one of the main collaborators of Albert Camus in the book "Albert Camus, An Analysis of his thought" by Marcel J. Melançon (see the chapters "Le Christ" & "Le christianisme et les chrétiens").

I have doubts about the relevance and notability of this information altogether, but I certainly feel that it is not appropriate for the lede. Can anyone confirm the notability of this writer? Is this book considered a notable work about either Maritain or Camus? Is there any place in the article where this information would be appropriate? Any thoughts on this matter whatever? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

References

Charles DeKoninck's criticism

I've been reading DeKoninck and in several places he is quite critical of Jacques Maritain: http://ldataworks.com/aqr/V4_DST_text.html http://www.scribd.com/doc/46162378/Letter-by-Charles-DeKoninck-to-Mortimer-Adler-1938

As the the most notable Laval/River Forest Thomist, this may be worth including. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.116.1 (talk) 03:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

New Edits

1. Added some info in the ethics section on moral philosophy adequately considered. 2. Rewrote the criticism section. The quote from Gilson second handedly attributing an opinion to Fr. Balzic that Maritain would be condemned as a heretic seems irrelevant. It is an opinion of contemporary and not from the source. In its place I've added a list of some of the main criticisms that come up in the literature with references. jlawest — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlawest (talk • contribs) 18:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Action Française

Article could do with some discussion of his links with Action Française. My understanding is that he never formally identified himself as an adherent or supporter of the movement, but I understand he had some degree of affiliation with it (he had many close friends who belonged to it, and its newspaper approvingly reviewed his books); this was all prior to its papal condemnation in 1926, which Maritain accepted and supported. The French Wikipedia article has an extended section discussing this; it would be good if someone could translate it. SJK (talk) 00:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Photo

Is any better image available? This one is much better, but I don't understand how "free images" and permissions work. Here's a whole page of images. YoPienso (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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Private Life

I'm not seeing support for the claims - both explicit and implicit - being made in this section. That Maritain maintained very close friendships with many openly gay figures is clear, but identifying them as homophilic friendships is not supported at all by the sources given. Indeed, the source cited for Julien Green points to a closeness of intellectual and spiritual quality with no implication of sexual attraction or romance as stated in this section. The claim of "175 passionate love letters" exchanged with Psichari comes from a 2019 book (Martel) that is widely recognized as not much more than gossip, setting out to support a pre-established thesis, with numerous claims being demonstratably false or lacking any sort of supporting evidence - scholarly or otherwise.

I suggest this section, "Private Life" (a single edit on January 20) be scrapped. "Private life" is superfluous as a separate sub-section under "Life". The claims are not supported by the sources given and the central thesis of the whole thing does not seem to be much more than innuendo. Jdcyk (talk) 23:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

After 3 months with no additional input on the matter I removed the section. If there is material of value here I think it could be included within "Life" - though my objections given above should be addressed if doing so. Jdcyk (talk) 16:11, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I am reading a bio of John XXIII and several references started coalescing for me around this topic, when I remembered I had seen Maritain's name in Martel's book, so I pulled it out and read the chapter again. As stated above, 'widely recognized as not much more than gossip' I decided to research the critiques of Martel. All of the negative reviews, except one, I found were on Catholic websites particularly NCR. The one that is in a mainstream newspaper, the author wholly ignored an elephant in the room leading me to conclude his own bias was leading his critique and ignoring other facts. Presumably the '"175 passionate love letters" exchanged with Psichari' are the evidence the OP is looking for, but apparently never bothered to seek them out for direct analysis given they only get mentioned in Martel. I will see if I can find them myself. Sylvesterjay (talk) 07:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Integral humanism (Maritain) into Jacques Maritain

Not clear that this concept was developed by other authors. Not clear that this topic is notable. Not clear that this topic is separable from the thought of Jacques Maritain in general. Daask (talk) 21:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Agree as per nom. -- Manasbose ^{(talk | contribs)} 11:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Is the similarly-named concept in India -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_humanism_(India) -- which is now easier to find on the Wikipedia, in some way influenced by Maritaine, adopting a similar name, or just a coincidence in nomenclature? fredericknoronha (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Section called "Metaphysics and epistemology"

It seems rather troubling that the section called "Metaphysics and epistemology" has only one block quote and no cited sources for anything else in the section. It is well written and all, but the last two paragraphs feel out of place with no citation, especially. 204.185.77.119 (talk) 02:19, 2 May 2021 (UTC)