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Notability
[edit]J.W. Harris meets notability per WP:NRODEO
The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association holds its finals, the National Finals Rodeo at the end of every year and elects champions in each of its event. J.W. Harris is a four time World Bull Riding Champion, so per this guideline he meets the definition.
He's also a Professional Bull Riders and Championship Bull Riding bull rider, winning many awards and per this link, the PBR is one of the 10 fastest growing sports in America:
- http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2016/01/21/professional-bull-riders-pbr-has-created-the-most-authentic-sponsorship-platform-in-sports/#7b132a4d3970 PBR now draws more than 3 million fans over 100 global live events on an annual basis, with television broadcasts reaching more than half a billion households in 40 countries and territories around the world.
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[edit]long drawn out discussion not relevant any more
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I have tagged the article for style and tone issues. I started to edit for encyclopedic tone, but gave up when I saw more feature-style writing ahead. Words like "Unfortunately" are not neutral. Paragraphs like these should be rewritten in a dispassionate, encyclopedic tone:
The article also seems excessively long for a sportsman at the peak of his career. It really belongs in a magazine. Details should be summarized and placed in block paragraphs. We do not need a season-by-season wrap-up. Yoninah (talk) 01:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC) Yoninah J.W. Harris is one of those one-in-a-million athletes that is able to compete in both the PRCA and the PBR circuits, not to mention the CBR. Very few athletes have done so or do so (compete in both). This means more competition to cover. He is also one of the most popular active bull riders competing. I have covered all seasons for other riders and bulls without comment. My mentor is the one who showed me how to use the Seasons section, and she's been here 11 years. I do have some intent to work on making the article more concise, but that is not going to happen until I'm done working on it. I still haven't added his CBR competition yet. This is how I always how work. I get the content in from the sources first, and then I work on polishing it. It was brought to Mainspace a tad early because one of my mentors expressed that this individual is highly searched for and he did a page move quickly for me to get a DAB page freed up. And the DYK has to be done in seven days, so here we are. I am in the middle of a big issue with another article right now. But I should be able to look at this in about two days. Also, there may be some content that is not entirely encyclopedic, but I am tired of hearing it is written like a magazine. That's crap. I have never written for a magazine in my life. I am a professional technical writer by trade for over 20 years. Just say it's not encyclopedic or it's puffery, etc. or whatever terms are in the Manual of Style, etc. Leave the drama out of it. This is the second time I am putting up with you editing my article anyway you see fit without even letting me know first. And I know that what you are doing is not typical in DYK. No one else does it to me in DYK. They just ask me to make edits. dawnleelynn(talk) 02:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC) P.S. Try to remember that I have only been editing 1 1/4 years here. You've probably been here a lot longer. Thanks! dawnleelynn(talk) 03:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC) You might say that sometimes it reads like conversation. This reads like a magazine: [1] dawnleelynn(talk) 04:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
p.s. Does that part where I tell the date of the event, the place, the event name, the bull he rode, and the score he received, is that a story too? Is not encylopedic? Articles that have story or puffery in them - just some samples:
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IA Bot change
[edit]Long technical discussion about bot no longer relevant
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The Rambling Man Your change is not Wikipedia content. It's from a bot and it is not policy. The reference to another article I created was just to refer to my research where I demonstrated why using this bot to create these archive links is not a good idea and also why it is not backed up by any Wikipedia policy that a user can claim it belongs in an article. I believe no user can give any defense to using this tool to create this archive links on an article. And you feel so strongly about it you are willing to defend it up to the 3 revert rule. Why so intent on using it? Do you plan to be the one that stewards this article? Why so invested in using this tool on this article? The last editor that I ran into using this tool acted the same way, like it was the most important tool ever. On article they would never be watching over. This the use of this tool to add these archive links actually makes many mistakes and makes it more difficult to track and fix future broken links. But you go on, you are right by your might. I could send you to the Bot noticeboard as well where you could read about all the mistakes the IA Bot makes, but I have a feeling you wouldn't read those either. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
P.S. I am not practising ownership, I am not done with the article. See WP:DYKNOT "t is fine for articles to be incomplete (though not unfinished)". dawnleelynn(talk) 18:30, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
OK gang, we've sorted this out across about three different talkpages, so I am going to make a call on this and suggest that now that we've fixed the archive links, for now we can leave them. I agree with the primary points of both sides, and I do think that reviewing for archived links that don't work is a really good idea with the burden on the person running the bot script. But I also know it's the article's "steward" who ultimately monitors quality control most of the time, so ... meh. I can't say that I'm going to be doing this myself on any kind of regular basis yet, but maybe over time, we shall see. Montanabw(talk) 21:47, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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World champion titles
[edit]@Uricarrillo94: It seems there are some differences in how to format PRCA world champion titles. When helping me bring Charmayne James to good article status, Atsme wrote a short paragraph for me on how to format them. See [2] in my talk page archives. Search on "world barrel" to get to her explanation of two formats as used when she competed. She also linked an example in a real world article [3]. I am linking her other example as shown in a PRCA article [4] which also shows it done the way I had done in this article. However, I am not highly concerned that the bull riding and other event articles have to follow the way I had done it here in Harris and we did it in the barrel racing articles. I am just pointing this out to ask that if you do happen to edit any of the barrel racing articles (which are most of them mine), you leave the titles as they are done in those articles. I'm not going to change the formats in any of the articles for any other events though, including this one. To be clear, using World Champion Bull Rider in this article is fine rather than what I had. Thanks. dawnleelynn(talk) 23:34, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hello, Dawn. Thanks for letting me know. I actually did not know that Atsme had helped you out on how to describe world champion rodeo athletes. If it was a disturbance on my part, I apologize. I was just changing the description to how rodeo fans at large describe world champions.
- @Uricarrillo94: Which is one of the reasons why I am not changing it in most of the events. Keep using it the way you have been using. There is no "rule" on the PRCA website regarding this. If I find one, then I'll let people know. dawnleelynn(talk) 17:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, Dawn.
- @Uricarrillo94: Hi Uricarillo, I had just a couple thoughts tonight on this. More important than the order of the words is what words are included. The title of a PRCA world champion is the event name plus the words world champion, no further additions. The PRCA makes it very clear what their proper event names are in the Media Guide and the historical list of champions as well as in the World Standings. And I have used the same event names in the List of Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Champions article.
- For example:
- 2018 Media Guide
- https://prorodeo.cld.bz/2018-PRCA-Media-Guide-Records-Statistics/32/
- Which starts on page 32/256:
- * All-Around Cowboy
- * Bareback Riding
- * Steer Wrestling
- * Team Roping
- * Saddle Bronc Riding
- * Tie-down Roping
- * Bull Riding
- * Steer Roping
- And the historical listing
- http://www.prorodeo.com/prorodeo/cowboys/world-champions-historical/
- * All-Around
- * Bareback Riding
- * Steer Wrestling
- * Team Roping
- * Saddle Bronc Riding
- * Tie-Down Roping
- * Bull Riding
- * Steer Roping
- You might notice that the media guide includes cowboy in the all-around title. It is acceptable to use cowboy or not. Things in the future are headed towards not using it, so as to not be politically incorrect and offend genders.
- For barrel racing, there is a media guide showing one example.
- http://www.wpra.com/pdfs/MediaGuideBarrelRacing18_pF.pdf
- Page 7
- World Champion Barrel Racer
- Now I just refer to the names in the list article I created, rather than look through the guides. You can see the event titles easily in the contents up front. dawnleelynn(talk) 02:55, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- p.s. Oh, yes and it's important to mention world championships and ProRodeo hall of fame inductions in the lead. And the Canadian hall of fame too. dawnleelynn(talk) 02:59, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Now I just refer to the names in the list article I created, rather than look through the guides. You can see the event titles easily in the contents up front. dawnleelynn(talk) 02:55, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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