Talk:Isolation tank

Lets make this article more informative with more references (as per your request!)

@Alexbrn:,

You claim floating is "fringe" and yet you delete my references to the very elegant and very mainstream "Time Magazine" article, and also there is the fact that floating is becoming very popular in many countries.

I think it useful to at the very least point out that most people are choosing to float, which is relaxation primarily, as the research you deleted shows.You are SO keen to promote floating as an alternative or CAM medicine here with your topic heading, which seems entirely uncecesary in this instance, and it is simply not the case people are choosing to float as any kind of treatment. Perhaps most floaters are recreational and just seeking the benefits it brings. That being said, you will have noted in your research by now I'm sure that floating has been shown to give people some pain relief. Isn't it worth mentioning these sort of things in the article? I haven't done so, but will think about ways to introduce these core concepts about why people float and find therapeutic of flotation into this article.

I found previous edits (which you unceremoniously deleted) to be informative on this topic for those interested in learning something about it, although I can see they maybe were a bit long and could be seen as advertising the benefits of floating.

Rather than simply starting an edit war with me by reverting my edits may I suggest you choose to ACTUALLY edit and we work together to make this article better. Your claim, that floating is fringe, and a CAM medicine seem to be inhibitive to you realising that what we are trying to do is to inform people about mainstream views and the science regarding floating. So far, you have deleted and prevented any analysis of the scientific studies that have so far been carried out. If you read the article in Time Magazine for example, I think it represents something we should be aiming for.

It is also duly noted that the reference to this article is no longer in the Fringe Theories Noticeboard, where you ask people to contribute to this article with more science and references: did you remove it? I was the only one to reply there, it certainly seems clear to me flotation is not purely fringe, and that there is no issue in giving some credibility to this topic, as it has been semi-promoted in pretty much every mainstream publication you can think of. I am not saying floating should even be semi-promoted, but it should be given a fair hearing at least.

Probrooks (talk) 13:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Flotation therapy is obviously altmed (as sourced), and is governed by our WP:FRINGE guidance. Putting text about relaxation and skin softening on a "Reasons for floating" section is to imply this is what it does. We say people use it; we say it isn't really evidenced. Anything that enters the realm of specific health effects needs to be WP:MEDRS. Alexbrn (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Many people are not seeking floating for its therapeutic or "medicinal" benefits, perhaps even most people. Most are perhaps seeking an altered states of consciousness (without drugs) or relaxation and destressing effects. We should note these effects and the science involved which does not need to fall under our beloved WP:MEDRS

Probrooks (talk) 13:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

But some are: we have good sources saying so. That is what this section is about (except you keep changing it). Alexbrn (talk) 13:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Alexbrn This heading "Alternative Medicine" is ridiculous, it does not make any sense. AGAIN, I say, why are you trying to posit floating as an "Alternative Medicine"? This is far from Neutral. It doesn't help the reader, it is putting floating into a category, rather than talking about what floating actually does, originally the heading was "Effects of Floating", I think "Therapeutic Effects of Floating" works better. Perhaps you can suggest an alternate heading which makes more sense?

Also, can you please back up your claim floating is considered "Alternative Medicine"? By who? And where?

Thanks.

Probrooks (talk) 04:12, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Why is this article flagged as alternative medicine when the articles on meditation and psychedelics are not? This should be consistent. It makes no sense to flag one as alternative medicine and not the others. Kleinhern (talk) 17:05, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

From the source we cite: "Flotation REST (Restricted Environmental Stimulation Technique) is regarded as a CAM therapy". Alexbrn (talk) 06:40, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

ketamine-floatation related deaths

To whoever inserted the Traywick death entry, please feel free to mention that he took ketamine prior to going in the tank. Also, another guy in the UK died the exact same way as Traywick 10 years ago, yet that didn't make it into the entry.

Not mentioning the cause of death in such a short wikipedia article is inane. Either expand upon it or delete it to avoid the inconsistency in your incentive for adding that entry.

Have a good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.82.214 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Title

I would suggest changing the title to "float tank" or "Floatation-REST," terms that are used more commonly in research, rather than isolation tank.--Kleinhern (talk) 20:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Seconded. I don't know of any flotation tank manufacturers or providers who use the old "isolation" label, which has clearly negative connotations. They were called "isolation tanks" during early years of research and adoption, but the term was deprecated decades ago, as designs, marketing and use have radically changed. It's like calling a modern car a "flivver". – AndyFielding (talk) 09:37, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Pop Culture: Cobra Kai

Hello, novice editor here. Recently, I learned that to edit pop culture sections on Wikipedia, I should make sure my topic received much attention, or "notability" as this website puts it. I also learned that secondary sources are also important on this website. Recently, for the isolation tank's article, I found quite a few sources discussing a scene in season 5 of Cobra Kai, where one of the main female leads, Samantha LaRusso, uses the tank to come to terms with her mental health. One of these sources even compares the sequence of events to how Eleven from Stranger Things uses the isolation tank; they both used it to transport themselves to a black void where they encountered familiar people. I would like to know if any of these sources are "notable" enough to be featured in the pop culture section of this article:

https://bleedingcool.com/tv/cobra-kai-5-star-mary-mouser-discusses-sams-shadow-self-battle/

https://www.looper.com/997047/small-details-you-missed-in-cobra-kai-season-5/

https://collider.com/cobra-kai-season-5-episode-3-recap-playing-with-fire/

https://www.vulture.com/article/cobra-kai-season-5-episode-3-recap-playing-with-fire.html

https://www.cbr.com/cobra-kai-season5-sam-rey-skywalker-moment-netflix/

https://screenrant.com/cobra-kai-sam-win-sekai-taikai-best-fighter/

P.s., I made sure all of the sources were not user-generated content. Misterspaceman (talk) 03:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Synthesis issue

With regard to this text

Following increased scientific research in the related areas of mindfulness and psychedelics in the 2010s, the number of scientific papers published on flotation-REST has increased nearly tenfold since the previous decade, with some recent work being conducted with the goal of testing an interoceptive hypothesis.

which I reverted,[1] there seems to be a WP:SYNTHESIS issue, since none of the sources that were cited makes this point. Bon courage (talk) 13:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Altmed sidebar

I was curious about the application of the altmed sidebar to the isolation tank article while noticing its absence from the articles on LSD or psilocybin. I believe consistency across related topics is beneficial. Could we discuss the rationale behind this decision? Also, I've invested time in making constructive edits to the article, which were recently reverted. I'd greatly appreciate any insights on the reasons behind this revert. Kleinhern (talk) 10:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows WP:PAGs rather than the precedent set by other articles, which may be poor. Since this is a heavily altmed topic (it is even categorized as an altmed treatment) the sidebar seems appropriate here to help readers navigate. Bon courage (talk) 11:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)