Talk:Iron Man (2008 film)

Ridiculous

Saying that this was released as the first film of phase 1 of the MCU is ridiculous nonsense. If this movie had lost money there would not have been any other Marvel movies for a while and maybe not anymore at all. The fact that it was a success is why there even was an MCU. You should talk to somebody who lived through the time before you start writing ridiculous things like that, that is just plain freaking ridiculous. Just like everybody else who makes movies, they had no idea if this was going to be a success or not. They made the best movie they could and they took their chances. But there were no guarantees it was going to be a success at the box office 166.194.136.61 (talk) 00:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Regardless, it is the first film of phase 1 of the MCU. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

It ends with Nick Fury mentioning the Avenger Initiative to Tony Stark so the plans were clearly there. The Incredible Hulk was released merely six weeks later and would absolutely have been released no matter how Iron Man turned out. Robert Downey Jr. has a cameo as Tony Stark. We don't know what would have happened if Iron Man did poorly but it's not like Marvel suddenly said "Hey, this is popular, let's turn it into a series." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:03, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 3 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn, yes, it appears the Jaws example threw me and I misinterpreted PRIMARYFILM. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:37, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Iron Man (2008 film) → Iron Man (film) – I believe this film satisfies the guidelines of WP:PRIMARYFILM to exist at Iron Man (film) as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC without the added year disambiguator. With regards to WP:PDAB, that page notes how PRIMARYFILM treats partial disambiguations differently. Considering the currently listed other films at Ironman#Other films, WP:SMALLDETAILS would apply to all those there that have "The" in their title. That then leaves Iron Man (1931 film), Iron Man (1951 film), the 1964 film without a Wikipedia article, and Iron Man (2009 film) as others to be considered for this title.

Using some of the tools at WP:DPT, this film is the second most outgoing on Ironman after the triathalon, and if one were to consider page views, looking at the month average of each from January 2022 to present, the 1931 film has 521, the 1951 film as 666, the 2009 film has 131, and this page has 113,089. Additionally, this film has been selected for the National Film Registry, which it deems to films that are "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant", 14 years after release, which would put it between the 10 year and 20 year test of WP:RECENTISM; this distinction I believe adds to the argument that this article is far and away the primary topic on the matter. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. WP:PRIMARYFILM doesn't allow any kind of PDABs. The added ambiguity of the proposed title does not help readers at all. 162 etc. (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Favre, I believe you've misinterpreted PFILM. The guideline specifically prohibits film articles from using partial disambiguation, see the Titanic example in the bulleted list. Under PFILM, the only options for this film would be Iron Man (2008 film) or Iron Man, and obviously that second one is out of the question. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Illustrator Phil Saunders

Under the Pre-production section, we have this sentence: "Iron Man comic book artist Adi Granov designed the Mark III with illustrator Phil Saunders." However, the Phil Saunders linked is not illustrator Phil Saunders, but WWII vet and 19th Attorney General of South Dakota Phil Saunders, who died in 1997 and therefore cannot have worked on a film in 2008. I don't believe illustrator Phil Saunders has a Wikipedia page, though. 2600:1702:5730:83D0:D42:80AA:D2E:18BD (talk) 05:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixed by removing the wikilink. Barry Wom (talk) 09:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

"Political Graveyard" reference.

Can someone explain what is the relevance of the sentence "This article incorporates facts obtained from: Lawrence Kestenbaum, The Political Graveyard" in the post-production section? It does not make any sense in relation to the text and information in the section. I removed it and it was reverted as "relevant text"? The template itself does not give any guidance or explanation of what it is / should be used for. 2401:7400:C80A:9A9D:C4CB:2C4F:36E3:2966 (talk) 03:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

It comes from Template:pg and as far as I can tell, it is 1) not relevant to the section in question; and 2) if relevant (which is not explained), it's not in the right place in the article. @Jgstokes appreciate your engagement on this please. 2401:7400:C80A:9A9D:C4CB:2C4F:36E3:2966 (talk) 03:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93 It appears you added this template along with the text earlier (Diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iron_Man_(2008_film)&diff=prev&oldid=1194009037 ) Could you share if this line regarding Political Graveyard is intended and what relevance it has, if any? Thanks. 2401:7400:C80A:9A9D:C4CB:2C4F:36E3:2966 (talk) 04:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

That was a typographic error. The correct template intended to be called is {{Rp}} (to cite the page numbers of the cited source), and I have corrected it to such. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your positive engagement on the topic. 2401:7400:C80A:9A9D:C4CB:2C4F:36E3:2966 (talk) 04:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)