Talk:Ireland–Israel relations

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Wikileaks loshon hora

Should we mention the Wikileaks loshon hora^[1] about Ireland and US weapons at Shannon Airport^[2]? 198.151.130.69 (talk) 05:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Incident involving Irish journalist in Brussels (Feb. 2011)

Not sure if this is worthy of mention in the article as it's pretty isolated in scope and doesn't affect Ireland-Israel relations in the strict diplomatic sense (though it may be considered a symptom of the general diplomatic climate between Ireland and Israel), but the story of Irish freelance journalist trying to citizen's-arrest Israel's Foreign Minister is being covered extensively in the Israeli press, so it may be worth documenting in the article.—Biosketch (talk) 18:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IMOS for usauge of Ireland

IMOS WP:IRE-IRL , states , "An exception is where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating states, politics or governance) where [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]] should be preferred" - this was the outtcome of dicussions and consensus. In this case it should be used here as neither the island or Northern Ireland are mentioned. It was edited out by lapsed pacifist [1] - a blocked sock puppet. I have re-entered the correct pipelink and stable wording. Murry1975 (talk) 17:23, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about the English Occupation?

Shouldn't this article include some info on how the English occupation of Northern Ireland affects the Irish view of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories or the Ireland-Palestine Solidarity movement? This stuff: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ireland+Palestine BillyTFried (talk) 18:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No part of Ireland is under English 'occupation', however the part of Ireland that remains within the UK is heavily subsidised by English taxpayers, ref the Barnett formula, one reason among several why the majority of the population - Catholic, Protestant and otherwise - in that part of Ireland wish to remain within the UK; the UK having a publicly funded National Health Service and its own currency. The 'independent' part of Ireland sadly has neither and nowadays is owned lock, stock and barrel by the European Central Bank. What the Ireland-Israel relations article should cover is the similarity between Fenianism and Zionism, as ethnic/cultural/religious forms of nationalism, with particular emphasis on American support.Yacht Dance (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Facebook and Christamas meesage

The message appeared on the IsraelinIreland Facebook page – which is linked to on the official embassy site – on Monday morning. The post comprised a painting of Mary and Jesus, accompanied by the following caption and Since the error, the IsraelinIreland page has been shut down altogether, and the link on the official website has been removed so " the Israeli Embassy in Ireland posted on its Facebook page a comment that was viewed as racist and slanderous to Palestinians" comment is not correct, IsrealinIreland posted the comment on the embassy page, now if this is worth mentoning, lets clarify what happened, not use blogs or opinion peices. Murry1975 (talk) 13:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IsraelinIreland IS the Embassy's Official Facebook page - they are the same thing. If was it was shut down, it was subsequently reactivated. See www.facebook.com/IsraelinIreland 1-555-confide (talk) 15:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There was an IsrealinIreland website before, this is still closed their FB never shut. Murry1975 (talk) 15:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

Ireland's Department of Defence uses British English and Hiberno-English, not American English, when spelling its name. So its minister is the "Minister for Defence", never the "Minister for Defense". 89.28.178.40 (talk) 16:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated and poorly sourced material

This article is now suffering from outdated material and poorly sourced material ("an unnamed source"). In early November I'll have time to clean up material that has dead links, lack of references, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VanEman (talk • contribs) 00:52, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Original research - synthesis

The actions and/or personal histories of individuals who happen to be employees of the Israeli embassy in Ireland are not, in and of themselves, part of the relations between the two countries. Those actions may sometimes have an impact on the relations, but we would need a credible source saying this - not a Wikipedia editor who decides that because such an employee has a police record, or is allegedly harassing anti-Israeli activists, that is relevant to the relationship between the two countries. Brad Dyer (talk)

"deputy head of Israel's mission in Ireland and wife of the ambassador", well if she aint part of the Ireland-Isreal relations! It is up to yourself, to offer a reasonable reason for change WP:BRD. Murry1975 (talk) 20:36, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What she does in her non-official capacity is not part of the Ireland-Israel relations, no. And it is up to you to find a reliable source that says these actions had an impact on the relationship. Brad Dyer (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The "deputy head of Israel's mission in Ireland and wife of the ambassador" are just as notable, perhaps more so than the section on Aer Lingus, as she is an Embassy and mission offical. Murry1975 (talk) 11:29, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agian - The extra-curricular activities and/or personal histories of individuals who happen to be employees of the Israeli embassy in Ireland are not, in and of themselves, part of the relations between the two countries. If you believe they have a notable relationship to Ireland–Israel relations, please point out the reliable sources that demonstrate this, by discussing these actions in the context of Ireland–Israel relations. As another example, the materiel you restored about the current ambassador is sourced to a 2007 Israeli newspaper report, from 3 years before he became the ambassador to Ireland. said article doesn't mention Ireland- why is it relevant here? Why is it any more relevant than the fact that he coordinated the Pope's visit to Israel in 2000? Brad Dyer (talk) 22:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To Brad Dyer and Agian: The police record of Modai is not a "personal" matter and is not simply about his alleged extra-marital affair. He does not have a police record because he had an affair. His police record was not for a speeding ticket. It was for illegally harassing an employee of the agency (Israel's Foreign Ministry) where he is currently employed as a leader . This reflects on his competence as a diplomat and representative of Israel's Foreign Ministry and his country, and I would think it would make anyone in Ireland wonder about how he will handle disagreements Ireland and Israel have---legally, ethically and above board or illegally and clandestinely? It is a relevant aspect of his track record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VanEman (talk • contribs) 01:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"This reflects on his competence as a diplomat and representative of Israel's Foreign Ministry and his country, and I would think it would make anyone in Ireland wonder about how he will handle disagreements Ireland and Israel have---legally, ethically and above board or illegally and clandestinely?" - this is your opinion. Now, all you have to do is find a reliable source that makes this argument, and we coudl include it. Until then, the personal opinion of a Wikipedia editor on what 'anyone in Ireland' would do is really not relevant. Brad Dyer (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The rather strange behaviour of the ambassador (and his wife) are relevant to the article.Cathar66 (talk) 19:25, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The material you just restored has nothing to do with the ambassadress's wife, nor his current actions or role as ambassador. Where are the reliable sources that say that this incident is relevnt to Israel-Ireland relations? Brad Dyer (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The ambassador is by definition relevant.You are the only editor that doesnt believe this. Stop pushing your POVCathar66 (talk) 19:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, not every action by the ambassador is relevant, certainly not things he did years before he became ambassador. It does not matter what you are or I think is relevant, the only thing that matters is which reliable sources say this is relevant to Israel-Ireland relations, or discuss it in the context of those relations. Where are those sources? And no, I am not the only one who objects to this material - it was also removed by @Ashurbanippal:. Brad Dyer (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Diplomatic Relations

I removed the sentence about UN Resolutions, which isn't factually supportable. Ireland was a small, poor country until the 1970s (and arguably afterwards) and had only a handful of embassies and diplomatic relations with a small set of countries until Garrett Fitzgerald's expansion of Ireland's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade in the mid-1970s. The reason Ireland didn't have diplomatic relations with Israel was (i) lack of money; (ii) not much trade between the two countries and (iii) arguably, the absence of diplomatic relations between the Holy See and Israel. UN resolutions were pretty much irrelevant in the face of fiscal reality. Fiachra10003 (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

revdel

Thank you, Primefac. Yes the revdel was complete, i don't know how i forgot to remove the template. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious! Primefac (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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[2] ttp://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/new-wikileaks-revelations-show-ireland-blocking-u-s-arms-to-israel-1.328298

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