Talk:Invader Zim/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

MTV2

Is Invader Zim still shown on that channel? On the Sic'emation page it says that all Nick shows are no longer being aired. Since I don't have the channel I can't really verify it, so if anyone knows for sure, make sure to remove that from the article. RyGuy17 16:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Archive

I archived it. It was getting too long.--SUIT 23:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

german name

I just removed the "(Eroberer Zim)" thing from the name list, because it is called "Invader Zim" in Germany. Adding "(Eroberer Zim)" to that name gives the false impression that this might be some sort of subtitle. It is not. 130.83.73.250 15:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Bloody GIR

I'm not putting it here asking about it, I'm just putting some info. The Bloody Gir in BBRP is RIGHT in the middle of the screen when it goes totally white. You can see his whole body.

G for Garbage

I've absolutely no idea what Invader Zim is, but going through the page's history I saw quite a few insertions about G in GIR standing for garbage. If it's not true, then please subst {{needsource}} or {{vw}} on the users' talk page. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 18:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In the episode that introduces the GIR character, Zim asks why GIR's name starts with a G and the Tallest shrugs, so it is pretty specific in the series canon that the characters don't know. Whether the show's staff had an inside joke or not hasn't been attested yet. They don't mention it in the DVD commentary I've seen. --Fire Star 火星 21:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I've never seen a source that says specifically that it stands for "Garbage" either so I suggest any edits which insert this information should immediately be reverted unless it has a reliable source. Bill ^(Talk) 22:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The Tallest shrugs and GIR itself just says "I don't know." There's also no mention of a full name on the commentary track. Unless there's some creator interview or leaked script I'm not aware of, the "G" stands for nothing in particular, other than the first letter of a kinda-funny name. ShaleZero 03:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This is getting pretty rediculous. The reason you've never seen a source that specifically says the G in Gir stands for "garbage" is because one doesn't exist. Why? Because Johnen's laughing at you. The fact that he made it so obvious yet there's still debate over it is pretty ludicrous. Yes. It's never been stated officially. Hell, it was never stated officially that the US and Russia were at war. That doesn't change the fact that they were, even if they decided to word things just so to appear to be a country that's amidst a war without actually being "At war". The bottom line is this. In the show, Gir was put together last minute to address the issue of not having a robot for Zim. Since all of the other invaders were being given "SIR" units, Zim expected one. However, the tallest did not expect to even see Zim nonetheless be sending him on a mission, so while the mission was made up in an endeavor to rid them of the nuisance known to them as Zim, they still had to play it straight lest Zim become suspicious. So they made a new unit out of the body of a Sir unit (that apparently had just enough of it's innards in tact and working that all it needed was a brain) and a handful of... you guessed it... GARBAGE!!! So, you may ask why no one as explicitly stated if it stands for garbage. One doesn't have to be told what SNAFU stands for to know what a SNAFU is, no? So Johnen instead decided to portray it completely comedically offering several punch lines instead of just answering the question. Odd behavior for a guy who is trying to write a COMEDY. So when Zim asks what the G stands for and Gir responds with "I don't know", it's just a punch line. You wanna take a little more serious than that then fine. One can assume Gir either properly doesn't know, knew but forgot, or doesn't even care what the question was in the first place (as he often finds himself talking for no paticular reason other than to be heard, holding his own discussions about irrelevant topics even amidst life threatening disasters). As for the response from the All-Mighty Talest... the shrug makes perfect sense, and DOES serve to lay creedence to the notion that G stands for "Garbage". After all, if you sent a man on a presumably dangerous mission with nothing to assist him but garbage, would you want to be the one to break the news to him? Zim thought his Gir unit was BETTER than a Sir unit. Gir said I don't know. The shug? That's basically the tallest saying "If he doesn't know, I'm not going to be the one to tell him". Not the "I don't know" that everyone seems to THINK it is.Smokachu (talk • contribs)5:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Or it could stand for nothing, the first letter is a coincidence, and you're reading WAY too much into an animated shrug of the shoulders. Without a source, it's not encyclopedic. And it's still a joke if GIR's crazy and made up its own name without not knowing what it means. ShaleZero 16:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

People refer to RSJs as Reinforced Steel Joists because obviously they are reinforced, the fact is that's an incorrect term (it's Rolled Steel Joist) even though it appears to be correct. My point is that just because you've made a link and it seems like it fits, it's still going to need a source because it could easily be wrong. --Bill ^(talk) 16:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice to add in the little joke that grrr is a common description of the sound a dog makes when growling and that GIR often wears a dog suit disguise, but that is too close to original research on our part, IMO...--Fire Star 火星 16:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone mentioned this or if they did I'm sorry. Are you implying that the G is for garbage because that is what was put into Gir at the time he was created? I think I remember the Tallest reaching behind him or something, grabbing some trash and putting it in Girs head. Or more likely he wanted to stick with the wierd little 3 letter names and Gir is just a cool name. (-Kid. 16:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC))

If the G in GIR stood for garbage, GIR's technical name would be "Garbage Information Retrieval". Another possibility is that GIR's name is a pun. His earthly disguise is a dog.

Wait, somebody already put something about this. Sorry. Pengwiin 12:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Uhm... I suggest you go back and watch the first episode again. What was put into Gir's head was, in fact, not garbage. It was useless junk taken out of the pocket of one of the Tallest and included some string/lint/wire, buttons, etc. There's a difference between garbage and useless junk found in ones pocket.69.112.29.153 (talk) 16:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Look, the container from which the red tallest grabs GIR's body clearly have a 'G' written on a blue sign on it, most probably standing for garbage.Dimacus (talk) 19:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Invader Zim

I've created a WikiProject page for Invader Zim to help us all coordinate what we can do to the articles. I've put a few tasks that I've been doing lately but need to be finished across all the articles. See the project page if you want to join or have anything to say about it. --Bill ^(talk) 06:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The show takes place in the future, not an alternate reality

I want to see a source stating otherwise, because the evidence in the show indicates it takes place in the future. Specifically, there is one proof: in the Tak episode, when they're handing out slabs of meat for Valentine's Day, Dib says something like, "I read that long ago, people used to pass out candy and flowers." That implies we're dealing with a future Earth. CGameProgrammer 07:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Or it could be the future of an alternate reality :D Zazaban 22:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It actually was stated in the commentary that is is in fact both set in the future and in an alternate reality.

Anime?

According to Blockbuster, it is labled as "Anime" is that incorrect or true, seeing as IZ somewhat resembles anime (note the eyes).VicAndPhill 02:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Anime is Japanese animation. Unless IZ is Japanese or based on Janapese style it cannot be anime. Zazaban 20:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, Blockbuster isn't a reliable source. PureSoldier 02:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The eyes aren't shiney like anime either. --24.255.178.253 00:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

But the DVDs are made by Anime Blasters

That doesn't mean anything, that's just the counpany that puts it out. Zazaban 01:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

They probably did that because Invader Zim wouldn't go in the kid's section since it's rated PG --Sango4ever 18:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Totoro

Does anybody notice that in the episode with the evil alien babies that try to steal zim's ship, That in a corner with all the stuffed animal there is on that lokes like tottoro, The big forest spirit from that Hayao Miyazaki movie.Jesusinmysock 15:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

What's your point?JordanZed 22:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It would be a good thing to add to the trivia section obviously.Jesusinmysock 19:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The aim is to not have trivia sections. If you have a source, try to work it into somewhere else in the article. If you don't have a source or reference then I'd say leave it out. ●Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Some one already put somthing about the totorro on the article about the episode. Jesusinmysock 17:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Official title

I propose the this article be moved to Invader ZIM, the official title of the show, with this page redirecting there. My sources for the name are the Nickelodeon official website where it only refers to the show as Invader ZIM, not Invader Zim. Also reputable TV listings such as TVguide.com and Yahoo TV. I'll also fix the naming convention on other pages linking here. Are there any objections to this? ●Bill (talk|contribs) 21:53, 16 May 2007

This violates WP:MOS-TM, it wasn't in the Naming Convention policy so I didn't find it until after the change. I've since added it to the naming convention. ●Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming episodes

Does anybody know if new episodes have been scheduled? Or has the whole project finished?--Andersmusician VOTE 19:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

No more episodes have been scheduled as the whole project was scrapped with unfinished episodes.

Even though it hardly matters, several of the episodes were finished before it got cancelled, in fact 2 episode were to be shown LIKE, A COUPLE SECONDS BEFORE IT GOT CANCELLED!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.106.209 (talk) 00:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Invader Zim Wiki

I once went on the Invader Zim Wiki(pedia?). Now I forgot the internet address to it. I went here (Wikipedia) to see if this article had the address. It didn't. Does anyone know it? --TimySmidge 21:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

it is http://zimwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page --70.67.167.157 20:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

2006?

I know for a fact that the original run of invader zim ended long before 2006. Perhaps repeats aired during 2006, but that definitely doesn't count as it's original run. 76.15.11.36 15:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

No, some episodes wern't shown untill summer of that year. Zazaban 17:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

New episodes?

But what if the unfinished episodes air? 66.72.193.13 22:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Kinz

Revisions to Invader ZIM page

I think it would be a good idea to overhaul the ZIM page to make it match the quality of Avatar: The Last Airbender. We need to add character thumbnails, cult following information, perhaps the true title [Invader ZIM], and a detail of the ratings history.65.12.233.213 (talk) 14:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey,

So almost all the other stuff has been done to Invader ZIM, and I just fixed the intro a bit. I think we just need a bit of copy editing on the page and more references, in addition to cult following information, and a detail of the ratings history, preferably from Nielsen. Also, all the related pages need overhauling (the characters, planets, few remaining episode pages, etc.)Leslie Granger (talk) 16:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Major Revision Vote: To move Invader Zim to Invader ZIM

Rationale: This has been attempted before, but wasn't "officially" set up. The name Invader ZIM has been used by ImdB, tv.com, nickelodeon's official page, and others I can't recall right now. ^^; Please issue a vote of yea/nay under me so an admin. can move the page over all magic-like.65.12.233.213 (talk) 23:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Read this.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Erm, yes, I understnad that it does technically violate MoS policy; however, when I recently attempted to do a cut and paste move, the admin. who corrected me listened to my explanation and comparison to the iPod problem a while back, and said that if reached by a consensus, the move could be done "legally". :)Leslie Granger (talk) 23:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Let's wait for some replies then. Just remember, no cut-and-paste moves :x—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

In the immortal words of GIR: "okee-dokee"! :DLeslie Granger (talk) 23:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There is already a Invader ZIM

And I must note that Invader ZIM and there is already a Invader Zim are two diffrent articles, for the same thing? I just found this out while looking into moving the article!  Doktor  Wilhelm  20:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Currently Invader ZIM redirects to Invader Zim. ●Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 20:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I understand, but the admin. said he'd ignore MoS if we reached a consensus, so how about it? :)Leslie Granger (talk) 21:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't ignore it per se; I decided that this is one of those times when an exception to a policy/guideline is applicable. —Animum (talk) 23:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we all agree, it's Invader ZIM. the move page says that it's already been moved though? so what's up with that?  Doktor  Wilhelm  21:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I also agree. Move Invader Zim to Invader ZIM, please. Paul Haymon (talk) 23:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Y Done —Animum (talk) 23:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yay! As GIR would say, "Thank you! I...I love you!" XDLeslie Granger (talk) 00:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Great! Good job. Paul Haymon 08:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

WTF is up with the revert?

I come out of my last midterm only to find the switch REVERTED?! This has to be the most ridiculously strict interpretation of WIkipedia's rules ever! (Not on your part, animum, but on whoever actually changed the rule to specifically out Invader ZIM as an example). This insitence on "correct capitalization" is preposterous on the following levels: 1) It has no positive effect on Wikipedia's organizational methods compared to the old page. 2) The idea that iPod and eBay are exceptions totally self-contradicts the rule, since the IDEA is to totally bypass actual spelling and naming conventions for the sake of "gramatically correct capitalization". 3) It actually mis-leads the public into thinking "Invader Zim" is the correct name of the show, and contradicts the spelling on the ACTUAL PAGE itself and all official releases of the show that call it Invader ZIM. 4) This is, first and foremost, an OPEN INTERNET RESOURCE. Other OPEN INTERNET RESOURCE SITES like IMDb, TV.com, and IGN (to name a few) call this show by its actual name, REGARDLESS of "naming conventions" that are or are not held by the site. 5) Everyone else was fine with the revert, so "truth by consensus" was reached.

In conclusion, this decision is of utmost consequence and of trivial "help" to Wikipedia's "standards". I vote for this rule to be removed OUTRIGHT when using the ACTUAL NAMES of the subject of each page as the page title. Please revert the revert as soon as possible, or give a valid reason for the reverting to the incorrect Invader Zim OTHER THAN the existance of that "guideline". :/Leslie Granger (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: Please note that I did not move the page myself out of respect for Animum and his decision to follow the guidelines. I am just holding those who made such a ridiculous "guideline" wikipedia policy responsible.Leslie Granger (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but choosing to not follow guidelines and getting angry about which prefered title doesn't help you. Following some of Wikipedia's core guidelines WP:MOS and WP:NC which state the article is in favor of having lowercase letter despite the trademark. i.e. Specifically this section which is titled: Wikipedia:NC#Use standard English for titles even if trademarks encourage otherwise. The only exception is first letter lowercase and the second letter is Uppercase, like iPod. Other things like Invader Zim's move can be sited at mOBSCENE -> Mobscene and WWE RAW -> WWE Raw. Saying there was consensus is outright wrong unless you want to invite a larger audience outside users who don't edit Invader Zim articles. As for it misleading anything, it states in the opening paragraph that the name is trademarked as Invader ZIM, I don't see it confusing anyone. As for this being an open internet resource, yes, it is, but something you should know is that Wikipedia has guidelines for a reason, one of those guidelines is naming conventions and this article is no exception just because you favor editing the article. You cannot just ask for a "rule" to be removed because you don't like it, it don't work like that. — Save_Us_229 16:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand. ^^ It was just some initial anger. Now that I've read all that, I understand better. Thanks! :DLeslie Granger (talk) 16:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome, feel free to come to me if you need anything else. — Save_Us_229 16:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I did want to ask if it was necessary to also change the references in the page itself to lower case, but reading the page, I understand it has to be kept in regular cases. I'm glad "written as Invader ZIM" was added just to clarify a bit. :)Leslie Granger (talk) 16:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I try to add the trademarked name in the opening paragraph if I can just to let readers know. :P — Save_Us_229 17:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Your all crazy! Invader ZIM IS the title! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.106.209 (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2008

A source that could be used: Jerry Beck's Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons!

I found a book in the bookstore called Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons! by Jerry Beck. I'm not going to buy it and join the project, but I will ask the other members to get the book so that they can add real world information about various fictional characters.

This makes the creation of separate articles for *many* fictional characters feasible. Having information about the development of the character will make the articles satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

And perhaps even the recreation of all the episode articles. Zazaban (talk) 06:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The recreation could happen for the ones that have extensive information about development (the creative process, such as how the ideas were developed, etc.) WhisperToMe (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it is very important that we re-create the episodes, and now we need citations for its reception and such. ^^;Leslie Granger (talk) 01:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Granger, that is very much a possibility if the Beck book (or other sources) discusses specific episodes. With extensive information on development some episodes may be separated into separate articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Very true, we'll definitely have to look at that. :D Also, any ideas for references for the rest of the stuff? Maybe creator interviews, etc.?Leslie Granger (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure where the interviews are cataloged, but if Jhonen Vasquez has any on his site... WhisperToMe (talk) 07:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, for the deletion of the fact that it's a cult classic; do we just need any source that calls it a cult classic? ^^;Leslie Granger (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

As long as the source is reliable it can be put back in. ●Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm an unregistered user, and I just wanted to ask if the references I put in are ok. ^^65.12.233.213 (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to check ClarkDVD. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Newgrounds

The mention of Newgrounds needs a secondary source to back up the claims made in the paragraph. A link to Newgrounds is basically a primary source and needs support. ●Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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Zim articles up for deletion

If you can give attention to these articles, in order to rescue them from certain prod/afd-dooom, please do. Everything Zim-related (but these a.s.a.p.) needs a thorough de-crufting, removal of obvious Original Research, and providing of basic sources (episode and interview cites?). Or just copy it for personal posterity. -- Quiddity (talk) 08:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

• List of vehicles in Invader Zim
• List of planets in Invader Zim
• Irken
• The Resisty
• SIR (Invader Zim)

Looks like the Zim-haters have won. All that work down the drain. Whee. Clayhalliwell (talk) 15:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Please do not use Wikipedia:Personal attacks - The people wanted to keep Wikipedia encyclopedic. It is possible to make a Wikia for Invader Zim to store Zim info that would seem trivial for Wikipedia. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I participated in some of these AFD's and I very much enjoy the show. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 16:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Quick-failed GA nomination

According to the quick-fail criteria, an article can be quick-failed if it includes any cleanup/further attention banners, which this article does (in this case {{Expand}}). Feel free to nominate the article again once this issue has been taken care of. Kakofonous (talk) 03:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Edited spam

I saw someone made an edit about their username on some weird website, so i reverted it, and i was wondering if it was okay ~~Conmanx360

Yep was fine. Well spotted. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

GA review

This article needs a lot of work, neither the Good Article process nor the Featured Article process are driven by luck, so nominating over and over again without reading the reviews will get Invader Zim nowhere.

Problems:

• The lead section needs to summarize the whole article, see WP:LEAD for some tips.
• The article needs to be verifiable, so pretty much every statement like "which is typical of Jhonen Vasquez' drawing style", "conveys misanthropic and pessimistic themes", "These include repeated references to bees, squirrels, moose, meat, chihuahuas, monkeys, tacos, "piggies", cheese, morbid obesity, and various euphemisms for", "Media Blasters silently stopped including it with the termination of Palisade, the toy company that had been producing Invader Zim figurines, without notifying distributors that the package had been altered", "was not initially well accepted, failing to acquire a steady audience", the awards section, etc.
• When it comes to style problems, all references have to be in the same format. See here for a how and here for examples
• Some prose problems as well, the "format and setting" section (once sourced) should be more concise and not just paragraphs with random facts. Same goes to the awards section.
• The plot section has to be copy edited, it has to much jargon and it doesn't read very well
• "Reaction and legacy" section; for starters, I am not convinced about the whole "legacy" thing, there should be something on the section to back up that claim like another artist talking about how much ZIM has influenced him or a spin-off. When it comes to "reaction" you need something more than IMDB and TV.com, something backed up by a reliable source, if not is original research.
• There are too many images, you need to get rid of some of them. Plus, all of them need to have a Non-free use rationale.

I am failing the article as it still has a long way to go. Please see What is a good article? before renominating, you could also check out good articles like Futurama and Pinky and the Brain for some examples of how this article should look. If you disagree with this review feel free to ask for a reassesment. --Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 09:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It would become a better article if one incorporated material from Jerry Beck's Not Just Cartoons book ;) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Then maybe you should get the book yourself if you're so damn intent on using it, WhisperToMe. :P And while your critique is appreciated, the phrases "doesn't read very well" and "too many images" are a tad arbitrary in the tradition of Mozart having written "too many notes"; if you could specify so we could make an article in better standing with the GA qualification, that would be great. And are IMDB and TV.com not reliable sources? Because besides DVD reviews, I can not find the Nielsen Ratings, actual show reviews, or anything that would be "verifiable" for sure. Of course, it could just take a bit more searching. :D65.12.233.213 (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm assuming 65.12.233.213 is User:Leslie Granger. First of all, there's no need to be rude to either WhisperToMe or me, he only made a good faith suggestion. When it comes to my review I think I was very thorough, I didn't say "too many notes", I said "too many jargon notes". It has been more than 2 months since my review so I don't really remember where did I see jargon, what I can see is that not one of my other points has been taken care of, so I think that you have enough in your plater as it is, the writing style is the last thing that should be taken care of. Cheers.--Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 16:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am Leslie, I just haven't been logging in, and I apologize for being rude. I meant to just joke, but obviously my tone was inappropriate. Thank you for responding, and I appreciate that you responded. I am just frustrated that so little progress is made on this page, and your notes just seemed like such a challenge as it is. Please continue your excellent work, and once again, I am sorry for the tone of my response. :)65.12.233.213 (talk) 16:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries, by the way both TV.com and IMDB have their information submitted by users, much like Wikipedia, so as a tertiary source they can not really by considered as reliable sources. I don't know where you searched for reviews but a simple "invader zim review" Google search gave me lots of hits, the question is in finding the free ones and reading them all so as to find useful stuff. Give me a whistle if you want more help from me. Cheers :) --Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 17:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Now Changed

I have now changed it to Invader ZIM, its real name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishpaste4000 (talk • contribs) 10:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Dood, read the message boards. It kinda doesn't matter what the "real name" is, at least not for this show in particular; Wikipedia's way counts first.65.12.233.213 (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

Really? It's one of the shows Christian Parenting Today called "non-Christian" and somebody made a joke about an episode? How are these controversial? Having this section implies the existence of controversy. It should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.187.136 (talk) 10:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Failed return and possibilities of future returns

http://www.questionsleep.com/mindspill/?p=2024

This is one of two blogs maintained by Jhonen Vasquez. It talks about how he and Nickelodeon were in talks to continue the Zim franchise VERY recently. It might be worth mentioning. 71.62.125.228 (talk) 23:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Episode Number Inconsistency

Throughout this article and the episodes article the number of completed episodes is refered to as both 27 and 46 (including the pilot apparently). They can't both be right! Surely some terminology needs to be introduced to differentiate program from story. I might be having an episode right now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.175.252 (talk) 12:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Vandalizing

Some one has put on here that Invader Zim might come back.......that is obviously not true!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frobrother (talk • contribs) 02:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Bias Much?--200.77.79.219 (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

ummm no thereis alot of rumors going around recently about it might coming back and there are alot of evadice to support it. like a nick forum admin posted "do you want invader zim back?", The Zim DVDs are re-released at an expensive price of $50 for all 27 episodes, A new Zim game is added to Nick.com and Zim reruns return for a month, and its heavily promoted. if you whant prof i can post links to the forum, the DVD's, the add, the game. so it is true it might come back with new episodes and reruns will run for a months. My therory that they are testing the fans to see if the ratings are high and if they are it will come back.--Metalavery (talk) 04:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

'Nicktoons Network has announced that they will be showing Invader Zim. It is unknown at this time whether there will be new episodes.74.96.4.195 (talk) 23:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)Anonymous '

Tallest Miyuki

Someone posted on Miyuki#Fictional characters: "Tallest Miyuki a former leader of the Irken Empire who got eaten in the unfinished episode "The Trial" of Invader Zim". I can't find any 'Miyuki' either here or on Invader Zim characters. I've fact-tagged this, if someone knows could you please add relevant information and redirect this name? Tyciol (talk) 08:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Unofficial Directors Commentary

I figured I would point this out for anyone who wanted to go and take a look. Make of it what you will. Maybe it's useful, maybe it's not:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SteveRessel#p/u/17/zU1k-y0LBPM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.190.254.143 (talk) 06:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

It returns!!!

Invader Zim will return this monday the 21st! I'm recording them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DownAirStairsConditioner (talk • contribs) 10:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

No one gives a damn. This isn't a section to talk about yourself. It's for critical information pertaining to the series. With that said I wonder why no one has written anything about the series being rebroadcasted. --99.132.131.7 (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

The zim wikia says

In March of 2010, Invader Zim returned to Nicktoons Network for one month. This, of course, brought forth rumors from fans, who believed that Nickelodeon was testing the fanbase to see how many people would watch Nicktoons just for Invader Zim, and that they might bring the show back if the results are favorable. And, as of June 17, 2010, Nickelodeon has officially announced Invader ZIM is coming back for good on Nicktoons Network. The show will start airing again for the fourth time on Monday, June 21, 2010 at 4:30 EST.

What does "coming back for good" mean? If something as vague as this were added to the article, then someone would need to clarify whether this indicates a rerun or the continued development of the series. XP1 (talk) 12:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

but I can't find reliable sources. If someone could find some reliable sources, this could be added to the article.Smallman12q (talk) 22:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Characters

This is a question regarding characters. There is a whole separate article for the Characters and that content is almost the same as displayed on the main article of Invader Zim. I believe it's wasting space. Why can't "Main Article: Invader Zim characters" just be in the "Characters" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.123.137 (talk) 01:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

ZADR

It was created some time ago of wich im not sure exactly. It is still wieldly poppular umong some fanatics. (my point being there should be some attention drawn in this article about this odd fanfiction) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.162.43.28 (talk) 22:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Fan endeavors aren't noteworthy for wikipedia unless they're profound (Invadercon) or Operation Head Pigeons (debatable- needs one more reputable citing). Fan couplings are just not noteworthy or eventful especially when its a typical and not very defining fan trend since the beginning of the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingershepherd (talk • contribs) 17:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Season3

If ZIM is a cult hit, why dont they finish season 3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiSpector (talk • contribs) 22:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

67.86.22.51 (talk) 03:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)There never was a season 3. They cancelled production during Season 2 because it wasn't popular at the time and ratings were low. It's gotten more popular since, but there has never been a third season.

Even the show creator said his *best guess* was "ratings and sheer expense" in his blog. Source: http://www.questionsleep.com/mindspill/?p=2024 Regardless, being a cult hit doesn't mean you'll be revived. There have been strides made by the Nick-recognized campaign Operation Head Pigeons but they're not quite enough to report on a wiki article yet.72.92.232.207 (talk) 15:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Confusion

67.86.22.51 (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)When people are saying that Invader Zim is coming back, are they saying reruns will start airing again or production will resume?

Well right now there's a persistent rumor that if the just released 'Operation Doom' dvd sells well, Nickelodeon will bring the show back for NEW episodes or to finish the 2nd season/movie finale. Considering that as of now reruns still air, it can be assumed that people discussing it 'coming back' refers to production being resumed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.187.76 (talk) 01:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

The aforementioned DVD sold very well but "Operation Head Pigeons" (those who claim to have influenced the DVD's release) never seemed to imply the show was certain to come back based on the DVD's sales. Rather it is Project Massive that they assert will be the deciding factor in the show's release. Is it citable by Wikipedia's standards? Perhaps it's noteworthy to say the fan movement got acknowledgment from Nickelodeon via Twitter but that's it.Gingershepherd (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC).

InvaderCON

right now InvaderCON isn't mentioned on the article & I'm not quite sure if it should be, but it might be worth mentioning it since is was actually a very big deal among fans of the series & some of the cast was even there, I'm not sure if this is true but I even heard that nickelodeon executives were "overwhelmed" by the turn out. EpiSonic (talk)

http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/36775/nickelodeon-reps-overwhelmed-by-fan-turnout-at-invadercon

Not sure if this is citable but here ya go.Gingershepherd (talk) 21:46, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

The Invader

I thought that the show was great. Some parts were funny and other you had to catch the humor. why did Zim not come back on Nick? I suppose that he went back to his own planet and said he destroyed Earth but he didn't...... Darkened wiki (talk) 14:03, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

"In the end, even I couldn’t give you the whole and accurate truth for why the show got pulled. The most likely culprits are simply ratings and the sheer expense of the show, which was monstrously expensive at the time, especially when compared to more modern, flash-based savings fests."-Jhonen VasquezSource--Gingershepherd (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Celebrities

I've been trying to find some celebs to include in this article that are fans of Invader Zim. According to an interview on the NY Times, Lady Gaga is a fan of this show. Would it hurt to include this?StaleCupcakes (talk) 16:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Project Massive

I've added a small piece of info about [www.project-massive.com Project Massive], an effort to revive Invader Zim. But someone removed it saying "Tumblr isn't a reliable source", which proves that they didn't look at the link, because that specific Tumblr Link is the official "Website" of Project Massive. So, can anyone explain why it was removed? 80.5.68.176 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't revert the change, but I probably would have. Every TV show has fans, and every fan is disappointed when their show gets canceled. So is it notable that a group of fans are organizing a letter-writing campaign to get the show put back on the air? I'd say that it is probably not, and adding a link to the campaign might be construed self-serving and spammy. I also don't think that referencing Invader Zim fan-fiction would be notable, nor would referencing uncompleted episodes animated by fans.

But probably more important than that, there are guidelines about what kinds of references you can submit to Wikipedia. You've linked to the "official site" of the movement, which would be considered a self-published source. Self-published sources aren't usually considered reliable sources. There are a few exceptions, but the question is whether or not your link qualifies as reliable. Look here to find out: WP:SPS Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

But it isn't Fan Fiction(In fact, if it's successful, all the cast members agreed that they would return and everything), and -- from what I can tell -- it seems to follow all reliability rules, so I don't see the problem.

80.5.68.176 (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, when I brought up the fan-fiction, I was referring to other recent submissions made by a few editors. Anyhow, the core of my counter-argument is that the inclusion of this letter writing campaign in the article may not even be noteworthy. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

It looks like I was the one who reverted the addition of the tumblr link. Material added to the project (Wikipedia) should be verifiable in reliable sources. Tumblr is not a reliable source as the content is end-user generated without editorial review. In some cases, self-published sources like tumblr may be used to augment existing sources; but in this case there are no other sources present. If Project Massive attracts attention and editorial content in reliable third-party sources, then the hurles of Verifiability and Reliable Sources will be meet. That still doesn't mean the material should be in the article (it still must be notable and not given undue weight, for instance); but having those sources (and citations to them) is a necessary part.

I really appreciate your asking here, and if (after checking out the policies and guidelines linked to above) you have any further questions about this then please don't hesitate to ask here or on my talk page. Happy Editing! --Tgeairn (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, co-admin of that campaign. I take Wikipedia's standards for reliability seriously so if this event isn't meeting standards to be included then that's fine because none of us Operation Head Pigeons admin are seeking to be mentioned here. Yet I can't help but notice this when I make rounds for Zim rumor control. If this LA Weekly article not only is verifiable and reliable but notable and not given undue weight then great. Otherwise we'll make a note for our fans to leave you be (we did a few months back but new fans emerge constantly).-"Control Brain" Johnny 68.9.174.223 (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know about the editorial practices at LA Weekly, but at a glance it looks like that is a usable source. Adding a new section including a paragraph or two about the fanbase and revival attempts to Reception should be a good fit, I wouldn't add it to the lede section though. Obviously be sure to cite the article and keep the prose limited to what is verifiable in the source. Thanks! --Tgeairn (talk) 17:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Broken Source

The 12th (at this time) source is broken. "Nickelodeon's full holiday programming and previews for 2011 - Monsters and Critics" which links you to http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1679563.php/Nickelodeon-s-full-holiday-programming-and-previews-for-2011 is a link that just redirects you to something about the new Fast and Furious movie. Someone will have to find another link that supports "On December 24, 2011 the series pilot had its television premiere". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.106.11.4 (talk) 16:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Revival in Comic form from Nick and Creator.

Here's the source Npamusic (talk) 05:45, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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