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Page split

This page was started with material WP:SPLIT from Intersex and Homosexuality in ancient Rome. It contains numerous historical, geographical and cultural gaps at present, reflecting limitations in sources. Trankuility (talk) 07:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Non-binary legal precedent

Hi Trankuility - re my edit that you reverted: To my understanding, Sara Kelly Keenan was indeed the first intersex person to be granted legal non-binary status in the U.S. Jamie Shupe got their legal status changed to non-binary earlier this year, but they are not intersex. That's why I thought Keenan's case was historic and worthy of inclusion in this article. If you still disagree (based on this not being a U.S.-centered article) I will defer to your judgment, but I just wanted to mention that. Funcrunch (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your edit but this has been happening in multiple other countries for years. Highlighting this case, because it is in the U.S., seems to me an example of WP:BIAS, and this article is already limited in its global coverage. Your addition is relevant on the page Intersex human rights, but please note how the text there also makes clear that intersex people have many different gender identities. An undue focus on non-binary gender identities could be problematic even there. Trankuility (talk) 16:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. I recognize that Keenan's self-description of being intersex as a gender identity (as well as a physical condition) may be unusual, and should not be seen as applicable to all or the majority of intersex people. Regardless, I thought the case set a precedent and should be mentioned in relevant articles. I agree that the other articles I added the information to are more appropriate than this one. Funcrunch (talk) 17:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Clinical data on gender identities can be seen here, by Furtado et al, and a sociological study inclusive of non-binary identities can be seen here, by Jones et al. Trankuility (talk) 17:53, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Western History

Since the bulk of the ancient history in this article is Western, I intend to add some information about intersex history in other regions of the world. However, I am part of a college course in Women's and Gender Studies, and the course plan does not allow for me to add everything I think needs to be added. If anyone is interested in improving this article, adding history from other cultures around the world would be a great way. Magnolier (talk) 14:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have begun by adding a small amount of information about ancient India in a corresponding sub-section. Additional information or tips are welcome! Magnolier (talk) 03:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As my major article contribution begins to take shape, I am posting again to alert those interested of my plans. So far, I have composed two sub-sections to include under "Ancient History" (see my sandbox page) to include more non-Western information. These are "Ancient Islam" and "South Asia," the latter of which I intend to absorb both the "Ancient Tamil" and "Ancient India" sections to better organize the article. I am using a variety of sources, which can also be seen on my sandbox page. I welcome feedback and any additional relevant information! Additionally, I may split the subheading "Prehistory" into "Sumer" and "Judaism" in order to align better with the rest of the section's organization. Any thoughts on this are also more than welcome. Magnolier (talk) 01:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: My sources are linked in the actual article and can also be viewed in my sandbox. Magnolier (talk) 13:35, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have published my contributions to this article. I believe they are relevant, appropriate, and in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines and standards. Due to the constraints of my status as a student editor in a college course, there is much I could not include that would also be relevant to this article. The timeline in the bottom half of the article may need revision to include the new dates from the "Ancient South Asia" and "Ancient Islam" sections. Additionally, this article by Gavin H. Imperato and Pascal James Imperato contains information about intersex individuals in indigenous cultures of Mali; it may be relevant here or in another intersex page. Magnolier (talk) 16:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic history misplaced

For some reason, Islam is grouped in ancient history with Roman and temple Judaism. Considering the fact that the examples given are from the 8th century, which is really the early middle ages. Would it be better if the Islamic section was moved over the the medieval section of the article? Jelephant (talk) 01:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]