Talk:Intercontinental and transoceanic fixed links

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NPOV

I have reorganized and slightly rewritten this article for NPOV. For example, I placed the "Opposition" section at the end of the article rather than first. Similarly, I renamed the major section header in the article from "Technical Difficulties" to "Major Components."

If you (understandably) disagree with the idea for these bridges and tunnels, then please cite to sources for it rather than making POV edits. Bry9000 (talk) 17:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Significance

Is this significant at all, or is it just an ad for someone's website? - Montréalais 18:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have the question, should this article describe the proposal by Frank X. Didik, or should it describe the general idea to build road connections over major sea straits. An article should not descibe someone's proposal unless it is very significant, so therefore it should describe the general idea, and list some missing links, also those not included by Frank X. Didik. --BIL (talk) 08:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this even notable?

Only one of the cited sources is actually about the "trans global highway", and that was written by Didik himself. A brief google reveals:

A website written by Didik, which ignores some of the many practical problems, and addresses the remainder with fantasy solutions;
A press release by Didik;
Mirrors of this wikipedia article;
A blog which indiscriminately collects various speculative future stuff, called "Near impossible solutions";
Lots of forum chatter &c, which all appears to be based on this wikipedia article or on the bulletpoints above

I realise that a lot of people like to speculatively draw lines on maps, but wikipedia is not the place for it. I think this article fails WP:N. Any thoughts? bobrayner (talk) 14:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. This garbage article violates WP:NOR and WP:NOT and needs to be nominated immediately for deletion. --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is complete crap. Just garbage 121.216.20.104 (talk) 06:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the Trans Global Highway article.

The Trans Global Highway article should and must remain as the project is and has been significant and in both discussion as well as in the planning stages for over 200 years. The fact that all elements and segments of the highway have not yet been unified into the Trans Global Highway, should not be a reason to remove this vitally important article. The Trans Global Highway has been referred to by many different names over the past 200 years including the "Inter Continental Highway", "Trans World Highway", "Cosmopolitan Highway" and many other names. The planning for the Trans Global Highway goes way beyond the Trans Global Highway NGO (www.TransGlobalHighway.org).

Many books and printed articles have been written on the topic or have mentioned the Trans Global Highway over the past 200 years. Here are a handful of such writings:

"The Three Americas Railway: An International and Intercontinental Enterprise" book written in 1881 by Hinton Rowan Helper discusses the need for an Intercontinental Highway, using railroads, starting on page 418. The Trans Global Highway article also mentions the need for a global railroad network.

"The Rotarian", January 1936. An extensive article entitled "Seeking Peace in a Concrete Way" is written about the Inter Continental Highway, starting on page 42.

"Looking far north: the Harriman Expedition to Alaska, 1899" written in 1982 by William H. Goetzmann, Kay Sloan, writes that Harriman in 1899 proposed a "Round the World Railroad" (page 128). The authors go on to write that Harriman traveled to Japan a few years later to continue this proposal.

"The Bering Strait Crossing: A 21st Century Frontier Between East and West" by James Oliver published in 2006 (256 pages) mentions extensively the Intercontinental Highway. He goes on to mention that the notion of a global highway has been around for hundreds of years including William Gilpen, who suggests it in 1846 was a proponent of a global rail highway to link to the then being proposed European and Asiatic Railway.

"Planning and Design of Bridges" by M. S. Troitsky, 1994 describes many of the bridges and tunnels proposed in the Trans Global Highway article including on page 39 this book mentions that in 1958, T.Y. Lin mentions the possible construction of a Bering Strait bridge (and obviously a needed highway network).

Alaska History: A Publication of the Alaska Historical Society, Volumes 4-6 (1989) mentions on page 6 that in 1892, a man named Strauss proposed a global highway and a man made bridge over the Bering Strait. The article goes on to mention the Lin proposal of 1958.

"Maritime Information Review" a publication of the Netherlands Maritime Information Centre, in 1991 had an extensive article, on "strait crossings" covering the then proposed Bering Strait bridge, the Gibraltar Tunnel and so on, and mentions the proposed global highway network.

Popular Mechanics Apr 1994 has an article called "Alaska Siberia Bridge" and the article goes on to mention the construction of a global highway.

The above are just a handful of the hundreds of articles and books that have been written on the proposed Trans Global Highway. The potential references for the Trans Global Highway is very extensive.

Many distinguished and intellectual websites have discussed the Trans-Global Highway. A quick search on Google.com, Yahoo.com, Bing.com or others will quickly show thousands of discussions covering the Trans Global Highway (using either the Trans Global Highway name or any one of many other variant names, such as the Cosmopolitan Highway or others, as mentioned above.

Russian President Putin as well as Japan's prime minister Abe, both in their first terms, also have mentioned the need for a Global Highway, including the Bearing Straight Tunnel.

The Schiller Institute in the late 1980's wrote about the need for a unified highway system that they referred to as the Cosmopolitan Highway (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/maps/maps3.html#bering%20straits) .

In 1923, when the Pan American Highway (also referred to at the time as the "Trans America Highway") treaty was being signed, there was also mention of extending this highway to cross the Bering Strait and become a global highway. It is apparent that they signators viewed the Pan American Highway as a portion of a future global highway (ie Trans Global Highway). The Trans Global Highway is the key to connecting the world in the not to distant future.

The Trans Global Highway Wikipedia entry should be expanded and encouraged, not removed. Detailed maps, other alternative paths and photographs should be added to the entry to enhance the article.

If you look at the statistics for the page, you will see that in just the past day, about 80 people have logged onto the page. This translates to 2400 people per month who are interested in the topic. The number would have no doubt been higher had the page not been forwarded to the Pan American Highway article and thus deprived of its own index. These statistics show that the idea of Global Unification by a physical pathway is indeed of general interest and is something on people's minds.

The Trans Global Highway is a summation of the goals and aspirations of people around the world proposing a global highway over the past 200 years. The Trans Global Highway is a lot more than lines on the map. It is a direction for the future. The Trans Global Highway article must remain and is perhaps the single most important article in the field of highways on Wikipedia. The article should be expanded to include greater detail on the Trans Global Highway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.25.224.136 (talk) 08:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would keep mentions for both Trans-Global Highway and World Land Bridge (made by Schiller Institute and Larouchepac) here also because they are predecessors of what later became China's Belt and Road Initiative and numerous reused official and suggested plans for longer cross-ocean fixed links.

I would also add mentions of Larouchepac, Schiller Institute and some EU-made plans from 1990's for Central Asia to Belt and Road Initiative wiki page since those ideas are it's direct predecessor. Tiemestari (talk) 10:20, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Australia is not consider to Trans Global highway because its too far away from the mainland continents, other that Oceanian people did not happy when there are have a extend tunnels and ferries in an Oceanian continent. Aldrin0000 (talk) 13:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for improvements

Some ideas for improving this article:

Add the Denmark/Sweden bridge and the Finland/Estonia tunnel
Add the Strait of Messina Bridge and Strait of Sicily Tunnel
Add the Constantinople tunnel
Change the order to Europe then Europe to Africa then Africa to Asia then Asia to Japan then Bering straits then Darien
Consider adding the big ocean crossing links in North America - the Bay area, DELMARVA, New York City, Long Island Northwards, USA to Canada across the Detroit River and Niagara, Canada to Vancouver Island and Newfoundland, Florida to Cuba to Dominica to San Juan, Baja California to Mexico.

If this page survives the deletion process then I can have a look at this. filceolaire (talk) 13:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Going to start by rearranging the sections in a more logical order. filceolaire (talk) 23:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Hope this works. filceolaire (talk) 14:15, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rename this article

Many of the proposed and existing links are train only. Possible titles:

Fixed Links across the oceans
InterContinental fixed links

Make it a 'list' article - Opening sentence: 'A list of existing and proposed rail and road links between continents and across maritime barriers." filceolaire (talk) 23:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. "Trans Global Highway" is now just one section. filceolaire (talk) 14:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is poorly named

Most of the things listed here are not transcontinental or transoceanic, mostly in the Europe and Asia sections. --Victoriosissimus (talk) 15:56, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The North Sea

How about the international ferry links between Britain and Norway across the North Sea? 165.225.38.147 (talk) 21:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Currently only served by freight ferries. Mr Larrington (talk) 20:31, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kerch Strait

The Crimean Bridge has been the longest bridge within the European continent, since its construction ended, connecting southern European Russia to Crimea, however in this article the bridge can be seen in the Europe to Asia section, as well as the Europe section? How can a bridge appear in two sections? A reader would not even understand which continent the bridge falls in after reading the article. And in the Europe to Asia section, it is written that the bridge "is the longest in Russia and Europe"? Makes a ton of sense to me, and if you go to the article of the Crimean Bridge it says that it is the longest bridge in Europe, without a sentence of it being a connector between Europe and Asia.

And oh, if you go to the article of the Vasco da Gama Bridge, there it says that the bridge is the "second-longest in all of Europe after the Crimean Bridge." Isn't the Crimean Bridge a connector between Europe and Asia according to this article? And shouldn't the Vasco da Gama Bridge be the longest bridge in Europe then? Danloud (talk) 11:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles are not an reliable source. WP:GD: "Wikipedia cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here". You say that the articles do not contain all the information. You can add information to articles about Crimean and Vasco da Gama bridges.--Germash19 (talk) 09:32, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oceanian continent is include in the trans global highway? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrin0000 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Australia Asia undersea tunnel

It is possible to span the tunnels from mainland continents to Australia? Aldrin0000 (talk) 01:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bahrain

What with King Fahd Causeway and Qatar–Bahrain Causeway? ישרול (talk) 08:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cook Strait

can added the Cook Strait fixed link ישרול (talk) 10:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is interesting. The article says a tunnel would be too long and deep and therefore too expensive. The length would be 22 km, and the water depth is around 200 meters. But in Norway a 27 km and 392 meters deep tunnel called Rogfast is under construction with a €2.5bn cost.

Kvarken Bridge

Finnish new government program mentions planning of Kvarken Bridge on official papers before 2027 and there's also NATO/EU point of view on developing E12 highway to connect Baltics and Norway. Tiemestari (talk) 10:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Talsinki Fixed Link

Connection between Helsinki and Tallinn is advancely planned both by multimillionare businessmen Peter Vesterbacka and Finnish & Estonian governments. Still likely on official plans and agenda of Baltic, Poland and Finland governments and many thinktanks from Area but rest status unknown. Tiemestari (talk) 10:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]