Talk:Inter-Nordic conflict of 1302–1319

Requested move 15 October 2024

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Inter-Nordic conflict of 1302–1319 — Amakuru (talk) 13:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish Brother's Feud → ? – The current title is perhaps a partial translation of Den andra brödrastriden (no source is given), but as far as I know, the conflict doesn't have an established name. Since Wikipedia's scope is global and it covers all time periods, this short title seems somewhat weird. Also, it should be Swedish brothers' feud, with plural brothers and without capitalization, since it is not really a proper name but a descriptive phrase. I suggest two alternatives, between which I am quite undecided:

Conflict between Birger Magnusson and his brothers, based on the title of Jerker Rosén's dissertation "Striden mellan Birger Magnusson och hans bröder : studier i nordisk politisk historia 1302-1319".
Inter-Nordic conflict of 1302–1319, based on Sverre Bagge's article Aims and means in the inter‐Nordic conflicts 1302–1319 (I don't think the plural is absolutely necessary, and using it might suggest that the article is a list).

The latter title would make the focus of the article a bit wider. This would help avoid duplicating content, since the strife between Magnussons is already covered in their biographies. However, going into detail about the power-play between different kingdoms (See Bagge's article) might be a distraction in the biographies, but could be discussed here. Sundberg 2010 calls this Kampen mellan Birger och hans bröder 1304–1310. Sundberg's time limits are explained by his focus on armed conflict. However, I think Rosén's and Bagge's temporal limits make more sense, since the political conflict already starts when Birger becomes of age 1302, and ends in 1319 to his deposition. — Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. FOARP (talk) 14:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 02:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I took a look at Polity Consolidation and Military Transformation in Medieval Scandinavia: A European Perspective, c.1035–1320 (2023) and it mentions this conflict under the "Fraternal Wars" (pp. 280–282). It also says: "The conflict between the brothers lasted for most of Birger’s reign, and saw extensive involvement from Denmark and Norway too" (p. 282). Perhaps it would be appropriate to have an article that covers all of these conflicts e.g. sv:Brödrastriden? At the moment, I would lean towards the first option. Mellk (talk) 09:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, such article would be useful for navigational purposes. One could also mention Magnus Eriksson's troubles with his son Erik, since he made preparations to prevent his sons of fighting each other, but did not anticipate an uprising against himself. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 10:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Inter-Nordic conflict of 1302–1319 as the only attributed alternative. Agree that a move is desirable, and this seems the best suggestion so far.

Andrewa (talk) 08:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with Inter-Nordic conflict(s) of 1302–1319, singular or plural. Srnec (talk) 02:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Sweden has been notified of this discussion. Raladic (talk) 02:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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