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Ingen var inne der Ingen kom [[inn], Ølet sto bordet men ingen drakk det 15 mann sloss og Ingen fikk slag —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.109.30 (talk) 20:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is best article name?

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A quick google search informs my opinion that Yinyuan (the Chinese reading of this monk's name) is not the best choice for the article name in our English-language Wikipedia. In the present version of the article, the sole cited reference source verifies Ingen (the Japanese reading of this monk's name) as the article name; however, compare Dumoulin, Heinrich. (2005). Zen Buddhism : a History: Japan, p. 461., p. 461, at Google Books?

The edit I reverted was not unreasonable; and perhaps my reasoning fails to consider relevant factors.

In any case, changing the name for this article deserves further discussion. --Tenmei (talk) 21:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Other projects which have considered this issue have reached inconclusive decisions, e.g.,
  • de:Yin-Yüan, citing (1) Werksübersicht vgl: Eike Moog: Biobibliographisches Handbuch japanischer und chinesischer, buddhistischer und shintôistischer Priester, Mönche und Nonnen und mit ihnen verbundener Künstler mit Bedeutung für Schrift und Malerei. Galerie Eike Moog, Köln 1995, ISBN 3-921981-1000-1, S. 175; (2) Berend Wispelwey (Hrsg.): Japanese Biographical Archiv. München 2007, ISBN 3-598-34014-1, Fiche 101
  • pl:Yinyuan Longqi, citing (1) Yinyuan założył jeszcze 15 klasztorów szkoły. Helen. J. Baroni. Obaku Zen. Str. 56; (2) Mampuku-ji otrzymał 8,900 hektarów ziemi (3) Linia przekazu Dharmy od 58 do 65 jest problematyczna. Zobacz: Jiang Wu. Enlightenment in Dispute. Str. 37–39; (4) Był to główny klasztor szkoły w Edo. Była to w tym okresie najwyższa funkcja dostępna Japończykom; (5) Ostatni w pełni wykwalifikowany mistrz chan, który przybył z Chin.
This begs the question about the relevance of non-English source citations in our English-language context? --Tenmei (talk) 22:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In Google book search, a hyphen "-" is treated as a space " ". So if you want to search Yin-Yuan, you should use quotation marks like "Yin-Yuan".
Google book search:
  • "Yin-Yuan" Buddhist 1,970 Note: This includes "Yin-Yuan" and "Yin Yuan".
  • Yin-Yuan Buddhist 38,500
  • Yin Yuan Buddhist 38,600
――  Phoenix7777 (talk) 22:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yinyuan is the proper and original name, and Ingen is just a Japanese pronunciation of the original. "Yin-yuan" with a hyphen is generally bad form in Pinyin. There are some words or concepts that may be more or less debatable about what language they should be in. However, there is a general principle that an article for a real person should be in that person's name, and not a different foreign language's pronunciation of that same name. Anyone who links to Ingen will still get the Yinyuan page, and there should be no problems. I would usually propose a name change, but frankly an article like this is so small and neglected that it doesn't really seem worth it. For example, Burning Monk is a redirect to Thích Quảng Đức, but to have the name "Burning Monk" as the article title would be disrespectful. Similarly, to use a Japanese pronunciation of a Chinese person's name as the title for a page is also disrespectful on some level. Of course, a redirect should be used for anyone who links to "Ingen", and this is automatically done for renamed articles. We can also see that on the Ōbaku page for the Japanese Zen school that he founded, the article consistently uses "Yinyuan" and "Yinyuan Longqi" throughout. This article correctly uses Chinese names and terms where appropriate, and this is the most sensible thing. Tengu800 (talk) 23:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tengu800 -- Yes, thank you. Your rationale is persuasively explained. It is neither counter-argument nor rebuttal when I point out that your understandable reasoning is not reflected in (a) Buddhism in Japan; and (b) Template:JapaneseBuddhism; and (c) Nussbaum, Louis-Frédéric. (2005). "Ingen" in Japan encyclopedia, p. 387., p. 387, at Google Books. I wonder what others may have to say about the best name for this article? --Tenmei (talk) 07:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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