Talk:Indochinese leopard

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Proposed merge with Keimu

To the extent any information can be gleaned, this stub appears to say that this animal is closely related to the indochinese leopard and is not a separate species. Accordingly, it should be an example of an indochinese leopard rather than its own page. 49ersBelongInSanFrancisco (talk) 05:05, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if you think so, it is okay. The indochonese leopard which has been always present in Manipur since ages, but globally refused to accept due to Indian underestimation and negligence as well as lack of local wildlife enthusiasm of the region. I have been trying to add this several times in pages like indochinese leopard or black panther, but due to lack of evidence or my ignorance about the proper tools or anything, my article or updates have been rejected by a user called bhagyamani. This is really frustrating.

But, it is here. The fact remains a fact even if it is constantly ignored or underestimated. Please visit my page and see the picture of the killed black panther in my uploaded front page of the local daily dated 17/08/17. Or u can also check the archives of the people's chronicle of the said date. This killed rare adult big cat was just a sample on the tip of iceberg. It cannot exist alone after so many years of blind declaration of non-existence in the region by wildlife authorities of India, logically speaking. But the truth is that, nobody has ever properly conducted a wildlfe survey in the tropical forests of manipur. Only the people residing here know the fact as they constantly see killed animals and sold meats. Dr.sunil kumar leishangthem (talk) 12:49, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. It's an occurrence of a black panther in India. I wouldn't consider it particularly notable. Kortoso (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge, and while I don't mind merging to Indochinese leopard, it might be better to merge to Black panther#Leopard. No one here seems to be disputing its importance or interest; just making sure that related information is aggregated. Klbrain (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Following up on this: the Manipur ENVIS centre says that Keimu is the local name for Felis temminckii , which appears to be a synonym for Catopuma temminckii (Asian golden cat). So, perhaps a merge to Black panther is better pending better evidence for the species involved. Klbrain (talk) 08:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to get more complicated with every bit of info found : apparently, we cannot even be sure, which species it is. Therefore, I do not agree to merge this, because 1) An image of a cat published in a newspaper must not necessarily be a camera trap image of the same cat sighted in Manipur, but is more likely an image from some archive; 2) Whether leopards in Manipur are Indochinese or Indian leopard subspecies, is NOT up to us to decide, but would have to be referenced through a reliable source; 3) IF this particular individual is a black morph of a golden cat, the info on Keimu would anyway be wrongly placed in any of the leopard /panther pages. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:28, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. If the subject of the merge cannot be defined with certainty, it can't be merged into this article or any other article. If the Keimu is established as a melanised form of leopard then the best target is black panther as the notable feature is the colour variation rather than the subspecies of leopard (another unknown). Jts1882 | talk 09:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't trust journos writing about cats, not since I came across an article by a Pakistani reporter who speculated about a dead cheetah in the Thar Desert but showed an archive image of a fishing cat; and an Indian who showed an image of a cheetah and 'reported' about a fishing cat rescued from a well that turned out to be a leopard. :) :) :). Journos can't tell one cat species from another. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:39, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request for acceptance of data about keimu and kabow kei

Yeah, if you think so, it is okay. The indochonese leopard which has been always present in Manipur since ages, but globally refused to accept due to Indian underestimation and negligence as well as lack of local wildlife enthusiasm of the region. I have been trying to add this several times in pages like indochinese leopard or black panther, but due to lack of evidence or my ignorance about the proper tools or anything, my article or updates have been rejected by a user called bhagyamani. This is really frustrating.

But, it is here. The fact remains a fact even if it is constantly ignored or underestimated. Please visit my page and see the picture of the killed black panther in my uploaded front page of the local daily dated 17/08/17. Or u can also check the archives of the people's chronicle of the said date. This killed rare adult big cat was just a sample on the tip of iceberg. It cannot exist alone after so many years of blind declaration of non-existence in the region by wildlife authorities of India, logically speaking. But the truth is that, nobody has ever properly conducted a wildlfe survey in the tropical forests of manipur. Only the people residing here know the fact as they constantly see killed animals and sold meats. Dr.sunil kumar leishangthem (talk) 10:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A newspaper article is NOT a reliable reference. I suggest you read this Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources to learn what a reliable source is, and this Wikipedia:Citing sources to learn how to cite such a source. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But we cannot deny a picture of a killed leopard shown in the newspaper. How can you say that there are no leopards in Manipur even after the news of a leopard kill was published as a news in the front page of that paper. Dr.sunil kumar leishangthem (talk) 12:35, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If no other evidences are around other than the newspaper reporting the fact, you are going to deny its existence here. All the people here read that and they know that leopard is here. Nobody cared about it and nobody approached for it. That is the reason of the lack of evidence. You are just discouraging global data update and underestimating a truth by trying to suppress the fact. You are a human,right? Not a robot. You can consider with conscience even if it is not in the flowchart programmed earlier, being a human. Why are you so hard to convince even after users from the US have accepted it. Please consider logically, not personally. Dr.sunil kumar leishangthem (talk) 12:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did NOT claim that there are no leopards in Manipur!! But only wrote that a newspaper and a picture published in a newspaper is NOT a reliable source. This picture could have been taken anywhere in South Asia. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not notable enough to include as a separate article, although it does exist in Wikipedia. Anyway, please read up on Wikipedia standards and find a more reliable source. Kortoso (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]