Talk:Indie sleaze

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Did you know... that the Indie sleaze era, from approximately 2006 to 2012, was described by singer Gwenno as "very debauched, and probably the last moment where kids had been able to do whatever they want"?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 05:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Indie sleaze era from about 2006 to 2012 was described by singer Gwenno as "very debauched, and probably the last moment where kids had been able to do whatever they want”? Source: “ You may also remember Gwenno from her time with The Pipettes. From 2003-2011 (with Gwenno joining in 2005), the indie-pop-meets-doo-wop trio released two albums through the ‘MySpace’ years, at a time that is now being looked back upon by many online as the “indie sleaze” era.
“I think I did read an article about that!” Gwenno told us. “I remember those fishnet tights and all those ripped band t-shirts.”
Asked about why the indie sleaze phenomenon might be catching on now, she replied: “I don’t know because it was very debauched, and probably the last moment where kids had been able to do whatever they want.”” NME
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5x expanded by Benmite (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 02:19, 19 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article is a 5x expansion from a 307 byte version. Appears to be written neutrally, sourced throughout, including the hook fact, which is interesting enough. Earwig says violation unlikely, only flagging a few properly attributed quotes. QPQ is provided. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This Article is DEEPLY inaccurate- indie sleaze has NEVER been the name of this movement until children on tiktok who were never part of it labeled it as such. This subculture has many labels- on tumblr it was called as Soft Grunge but it’s generally considered a subsection of hipster. I do not think it’s appropriate to title it as some silly little tiktok name that originated after that fact and makes me doubt the integrity and knowledge of these editors. 2601:B010:9AB:7C00:3192:E755:1650:DBE9 (talk) 20:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to add that aesthetic subculture topics are a tricky subject and should not be taken lightly. They are a very important part of culture, influenced so many people and should absolutely be documented but with respect and accuracy towards the origins and original movements. 2601:B010:9AB:7C00:3192:E755:1650:DBE9 (talk) 20:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hipster (contemporary subculture) and soft grunge have their own separate articles. This article is titled "indie sleaze" because it is specifically discussing what the term indie sleaze refers to. Its relation to the hipster subculture is discussed, and its relation to soft grunge is discussed on the soft grunge article. The three terms do not mean the same thing, they are related, but as far as I can find, there aren't any WP:RELIABLESOURCES referring to the three terms as synonyms, so conflating them is unfounded. Issan Sumisu (talk) 09:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor is correct. "Indie sleaze" is just historical revisionism affirmed by lazy Buzzfeed-tier journalists unfortunately published in reputed sources and hence elevated to its own Wiki article. And all originating from TikTok. Bleh. Οἶδα (talk) 06:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The phenomenon you're talking about is much older than TikTok or Buzzfeed. Obviously you're using the term "historical revisionism" pejoratively, but retrospectively reinterpreting social history is an inherent part of it entering the historical record, its needed to incorporate new evidence, perspectives and methodologies, which lead to updated understandings. Here's an article published by Columbia University discussing the same phenomenon happening to greasers: [1] Issan Sumisu (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a pejorative, just a statement unto its tenuous basis. It extends beyond "retrospectively reinterpreting" social history and becomes an invention abstracted by millennial nostalgia and a young generation dubiously "bringing back" something they were never a part of. Indie sleaze is just an umbrella term botch-cloned from the hipster umbrella. It has no consistency to it. You have already stated that you believe it is a term all of its own not to be conflated with hipster or soft grunge, so I don't expect any agreement on the issue. And as I previously stated, journalists in their ephemeral excitement published their historical interpretations in reliable sources and thus elevated its legitimacy. So the regrouping was a success. My musings can be thrown to to the winds. Οἶδα (talk) 21:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]