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street punk

Made a discussion there. Statik N (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hyperpop

Hi Issan, I think ItsAlwaysLupus' last revision was constructive; an infobox is just meant to summarise what's in the article and having that many links in it does not read well. E.g. the styles of hip hop, trap, emo rap, and cloud rap all come under 2010s hip hop anyway. They didn't remove genres that weren't already sourced in the body of the article.
I also noticed VariousDeliciousCheeses made some relevant points at Talk:Hyperpop#Bubblegum Bass & Origins but didn't get a response. 2A02:C7F:38FC:A300:A0E5:3DE6:476:44A5 (talk) 02:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Could you remove this discussion and add a note saying it's been moved to the article's talk page please? It won't let me. 2A02:C7F:38FC:A300:9853:DD8A:3BA4:FCFC (talk) 14:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

what is it with people like you?

why revert and cite citation instead of being happy for additional info and looking for the knowledge you didn't actually have? HUMAN FLY, buddy. if you're a cramps fan you should know the track listing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.59.127.10 (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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Avril Lavigne

I get that she acted in films, but her last starring role was in 2007, and The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. Removing actress from the opening sentence does not violate WP:CONTEXTBIO, because she is not notable as an actress. There is also an extensive section covering her philanthropic acts, so should she also be introduced as a philanthropist in the lead? Ippantekina (talk) 10:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ippantekina: She passes the first criteria for WP:NACTOR and has significant coverage from that, thus according to WP:CONTEXTBIO that is to be included, that's just what the guidelines say to do, it's not really up for debate. Philanthropy is subjective and doesn't have its own criteria for notability. Maybe that should be included, it's never been discussed. Issan Sumisu (talk) 14:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

The guide you cited specifically says People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Do you think she is notable as an actress? Ippantekina (talk) 00:37, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ippantekina: Yes, she fits WP:NACTOR like I said, and three of her four roles are by major film studios and has received significant coverage about those. Issan Sumisu (talk) 06:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Your definition of notability is crooked. Ippantekina (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ippantekina: I'm just using the definition set out by Wikipedia's guidelines, I don't know what else you want me to do. Issan Sumisu (talk) 07:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Romani people

Hello @Issan Simisu, please can you have a look on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Turkish_and_Tatar_Y-DNA_genes_of_the_Muslim_Roma699

The whole section is wrong written, because if you read the whole source who is given, there is absolutely nothing written about Turkish and Tatar men who mixed with Muslim Roma women and had children together, there is also not a sentence about Tatars there. The source says only that genetic impact flowed into the host population (Romani and Non Romani), during the time of the Ottoman occupation in the areas that belonged to the Ottoman Empire. I'am blocked from editing the Article, so I can't change it.

It should be only written: genetic impact flowed into the host population of Romani and Non Romani people, during the time of the Ottoman occupation in the areas that belonged to the Ottoman Empire this is ecaxtly what the source said, and nothing else. Thanky

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January 2022

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Lotus Eaters - Snitch

This is the source of the song, it's on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T5vCYOIeXU 142.162.212.175 (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey issan!

Hi I’d love for you to write an article about me. I’ve worked with since when, cvve, kendrick lamar, Cuban doll, Asian doll, snoop dogg, and daboii from SobxRbe ZVBBV (talk) 05:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Irish Travellers

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Hyperpop infobox

I've explained my reasonings in my edit summary, you said there needs to be a consensus but there wasn't any disagreement.

I don't agree with using an infobox reserved for music genre pages for what is little more than a Spotify playlist. How Hyperpop, a Small Spotify Playlist, Grew Into a Big Deal - New York Times, Though 100 Gecs’ music rejects classification and formulas, a fungal burst of artists with like-minded approaches has erupted in the past few years, and Spotify has started using a new genre label: hyperpop. - The New Yorker, So in 2019, to address the quandary of 100 gecs’ unlikely popularity and unwieldy style, Spotify launched a new playlist designed to give their sound a home on the platform. It was called “hyperpop.” - The New Yorker, Incoherence is inherent to the genre, and the songs on Spotify’s hyperpop playlist vary widely in style. - The New Yorker. Further from the New Yorker: the hyperpop playlist serves many functions: it is a corporate branding exercise (among others).

"Hyperpop" is a miscellaneous term applied to unrelated scenes. Can hyperpop, of the PC Music strain, be smudged into the same genre as digicore? Not only are they sonically and aesthetically different, but they emerged at entirely separate times. - Complex. 10Trix.Never (talk) 00:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@10Trix.Never: How can you say there's no disagreement when there was no discussion started? Sure some sources agree but others don't, and even those that say hyperpop isn't a cohesive genre generally doesn't say it isn't a genre outright. You want a major change to the page so the general courtesy on Wikipedia would be to discuss it on the article's talk page. Issan Sumisu (talk) 08:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I'd argue it's not even a major change, an infobox isn't required (e.g. New Romantic) and this one's a misleading summation of the article and confusing to readers, as I've pointed out the term's being used to describe different preexisting styles with different origins. Pretty sure no source is calling new metal and emo the stylistic origins of Hannah Diamond, the same way they wouldn't with bubblegum dance and Eurohouse with glaive (musician). 10Trix.Never (talk) 12:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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Toddst1 I think you're confused, I reverted this edit, which was unsourced. You then reverted my revert, readding the unsourced content. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

You are correct. My apologies. Coffee deficits can cause real world problems! U+1F926 🤦 FACE PALM Toddst1 (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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The Goat of Patience

This goat is known to be the most patient being in our galaxy but has admitted in interview that it would "lose [its] shit" if it had to deal with "that F Club guy" and went on to say that you have its respect 😉

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Orphan tag and categories

Hello. You, appropriately, removed an orphan tag from an article here after you added links to the page. I just wanted to mention that a page would still be considered orphaned even if it were added to categories but had no articles linked to it. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:39, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

User:Hey man im josh, I know that, my point was that it was already linked to List of metalcore bands, List of hardcore punk bands and List of bands from Los Angeles by the time you tagged it as orphaned, I was citing the categories to further emphasise that linking had already taken place. Sorry for any confusion. Issan Sumisu (talk) 20:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Weird, the page curation bar that the NPP team uses showed it as orphaned, which is why I applied it. Okay great, just wanted to make sure we were on the same page and it seems as though we are :) Hey man im josh (talk) 23:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Anti-Flag Breakup

Hey, noticed you left a WP:STICKTOTHESOURCES notice on your edit about Anti-Flag's breakup? And... I mean... with all due respect, I was sticking to the sources. The source I included (PunkNews) didn't directly say they broke up. The source says in the headline, "patreon suggest break up of band" [sic]. The article itself says the following:

"The band has not yet issued a statement. However, screenshots of what appears to be the band's patreon suggest that the band has indeed called it quits. More information will likely surface by tomorrow morning. We'll keep you updated."

Nothings aside from Patreon says they definitively broke up; they haven't released a formal statement to that effect, and Patreon alone can't be used as a source. I've even seen things on social media suggesting that the rest of the band has been caught off-guard by this; their photographer posted on Instagram that he had no idea any of this was going down. (None of those can be used as sources either, but I do think it gives important context to the idea that it might be jumping the gun to definitively state here that they broke up.) Their Patreon is the only source that says they broke up, and it's behind a paywall. I feel like I did stick to the sources there. Just letting you know why I am undoing that header edit; it was definitely in good faith, but I don't think that section should reflect a hard breakup until there's something more formal out there, or unless you provide a stronger/more definitive source than the one that exists already. Afddiary (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

User:Afddiary: Okay, your edit since has been cool, the rest of the page said they had disbanded and the only released statement said they broke up, it just seemed uencylopaedic to have a sub article be titled liked its speculation that they broke up when there's a statement released saying they broke up. Issan Sumisu (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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The Faith (American band)

Can you also check the "The Faith (American band)" page? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1182025689. JackkBrown (talk) 14:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

High Vis

Excuse me, mr Sumisu. How come that you reverted the page of High Vis from "are" to "is"? --95.205.229.6 (talk) 21:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@-95.205.229.6 As I stated in the summary of my edit, the band is British, so the article should be written in British English according to Wikipedia's guidelines. In British English, collective nouns are treated as a single subject, so "is" is the correct term. "Are" is correct in American English though, because that dialect treats collective nouns as plural, but High Vis is British. I hope this helps. Issan Sumisu (talk) 21:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

clarify "no proof of notability to the topic"

please clarify your comment at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heavy_metal_music&action=history Carloscastenada1 (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

@Carloscastenada1: The source you provided doesn't explain what makes the band notable enough to the genre of heavy metal to be included in the heavy metal article. It says they embrace elements of metal, but there's many bands that do so, and many, many bands who play heavy metal, that doesn't mean they're relevant enough to the genre to be included in its main article. All you said was they exist and are from South Korea, if we did that for every band then the article would be incredibly bloated. Issan Sumisu (talk) 18:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

there are many references in this article that don't explicity qualify why an artist is notable. requiring qualification for this all female group but not for the many all male groups is sexist. Carloscastenada1 (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

@Carloscastenada1: if there is then those shouldn't be there either, what your saying is discussed in WP:OTHERCONTENT. It doesn't detract from you not providing proof of notability to the topic. Issan Sumisu (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

ok. then i'll add something notable. Carloscastenada1 (talk) 22:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Moved discussion

Why did you DELETE my edits on multiple pages. You clearly have an AGENDA; I added legitimate edits. Ridiculous. I will keep at it, I wont be silenced. You can prevent an INCOMPLETE history but it wont reflect reality. WikMistro23 (talk) 02:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC) How is a Spin magazine or Billboard not a legitimate source? Please explain? Power Trip Much? WikMistro23 (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC) I added 1 (one) Wiki source that referenced legitimate articles. You deleted EVERYTHING and your message was “Wiki is not a legitimate source.” Probably because you are on it 24/7 deleting and crafting articles as YOU see fit. I have donated to Wiki, I care about the truth. You are just out to silence anyone who posts something that you dislike. WikMistro23 (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

@WikMistro23: I only reverted one of your edits once, this one. I reverted it because it says to according to Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. That edit didn't include a Billboard citation, there was a Spin one, but the info you cited to it "Allought 311 was not as commercially successful as late 90’s rap rock artists, their influence of genre-fusing stoners — who broke out at the onset of the ‘90s rap-rock boom cannot be overlooked. The band has achieved the virtually impossible: a sustainable music career, with multiple album cycles and sell-out summer arena runs", is filled with grammatical mistakes and doesn't fit Wikipedia's encyclopedic tone because it reads like a press release hyping up the band. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of the United States from various music genre pages

I don't have an official account, I'm sorry. I'm coming to you for help. I just realized you had made edits on New wave music. This page contains a long-standing edit that establishes the US as a "cultural origin" for the style, given the ample references to American bands and scenes on the page, from Blondie to The Cars to Talking Heads to the Ohio and Atlanta scenes.

But it seems that there is a cohort of people that like to dog the music pages on Wikipedia and delete the US from "cultural origins" sections of various genre pages when they feel they can get away with it, and these edits are usually upheld by the Binksternet/FMSky duo, who then stigmatize the re-establishment of those long-standing edits as being "pro-American" or "anti-British". This strikes me as weird, biased behavior, and overly-nationalistic in the British sense. I don't recall seeing anyone delete British credit on various music genre pages, but it seems like a small group of people consistently try to delete American credit on such pages (this has happened on Alternative rock, Scene (subculture), shock rock, Progressive rock, Heavy metal music, and Stoner rock). Could you maybe look into this a bit? I realize I have little power to do so.

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So sorry, I misread, that is my bad. I appreciate your patience! glman (talk) glman (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit on the emo rap list

If you check any of their lyrics, you will see why I added $uicideboy$ to the list. I recommend the song called Kill Yourself (Part III). With this name you can see why I added them. GAFUKIS (talk) 21:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Lowercase article titles

My understanding that if an artist has a stagename that is lowercase, we should honor this in the article title using Template:Lowercase title. You reverted my lowercase title on the Fish Narc page. Will.i.am is an example of a prominent musician with stage name not uppercased on the page. Hexatekin (talk) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hexatekin: According to WP:NCFIRSTLETTER, the lowercase template is for very specific circumstances such as eBay, iOS and pH, which in all cases, the lowercase refers specifically to something. It is simply stated in WP:STYLIZED to "give the version that follows the usual rules of spelling and punctuation", and there's nothing about Fish Narc's name that sets him apart from Lostprophets, Blessthefall, Fun, Black Midi, or outside of music, E. E. Cummings; whose names are also always typeset in lowercase. Will.i.am is a totally different scenario to Fish Narc, there is no correct way to typeset Will.i.am because his name cannot conform to grammar rules. Issan Sumisu (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Irate

Erm... you do know Irate released that song in 2005 right? Thats not the 90s where the hardcore scene was very strict about hardcore and metal being different. Irate were not even a hardcore band anymore after the 90s, they were long done playing hardcore and turned into a metal band by that point Lil Sad Lil Happy (talk) 09:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Lil Sad Lil Happy:You're pushing the discussion way off base at this point. Your original claim was that 90s hardcore bands were adamant they weren't influenced by metal, but that is untrue: Merauder "Look at the period of time and the style of music Merauder did... its was straight up metal", Earth Crisis "Are we a metal band? That too, on occasion"; in terms of specifically beatdown: Bulldoze started as metal band called Retribution. Metal Archives is a totally unreliable source, that website refuses to acknowledge Slipknot as a metal band. Irate are of *the* definitive beatdown bands. However, if you do want to use Metal Archives as a metric: it also calls definitive beatdown band Neglect a metal band, and even has Killing Time as a metal band, who are just a definitive New York hardcore band. I concede to your edit that slam only influences contemporary beatdown, that addition from me was more about drawing an obvious distinction between beatdown and tough guy (New York style hardcore) for readability, as without it, they list mostly the same influences. Issan Sumisu (talk) 11:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm just trying to have a chill discussion, but I can promise you the scene definitely was like that back then. You think Earth Crisis was widely accepted when they released Firestorm? No they weren't, their praise now is mostly retrospective praise. People even back then when zines were going around were questioning their hardcore points, debating if they were too metal-inspired to even be in the scene. I only linked Metal Archives to show that Irate indeed did turn into a metal band later, the site claims they stopped being straight up hardcore around the turn of the millennium. Some bands claimed to be hardcore can be more metallic such as in the case of Neglect, Straight Jacket and more. The way you described bands like that on Metallum is making you sound like the site called them only called them metal; nothing more, but if you noticed "hardcore" is also in their genre. A lot of hxc bands in their time were just called hardcore but retrospectively their riff usage was recognized as more belonging to metal later on. But those bands are called partially groove metal bands which is ironic because Pantera, the leading band of groove metal, is also said to be hardcore influenced. So it all depends on perspective. Nevertheless, both sides tried to keep each other in their own lane back then before the inevitable happened Lil Sad Lil Happy (talk) 12:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Editing on Groove metal

Hello. I noticed you editted what I have written on groove metal. I just want to thank you for help. But I was wondering if is possible to note that Pantera was also one of those pioneers of groove metal, besides the ones that are already listed? Loyal to Metal (talk) 15:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Loyal to Metal: The issue comes from the way the sentence is worded: [groove metal] was pioneered in the late 1980s' by groups like Exhorder, Prong and the Bad Brains, and then popularized by the commercial success of Pantera, White Zombie, Machine Head and Sepultura, because Exhorder, Prong and the Bad Brains released music that sources have described as being groove metal in the 1980s, while Pantera's first groove metal album was in 1990. I worded that part specifically so that it would imply the latter bands are also pioneers, but maybe that could have been done better? Also, White Zombie released an album sourced as being groove metal in 1989, so it probably does need a bit of an edit. How about this: the genre was pioneered in the late 1980s by Exhorder, Prong, White Zombie and the Bad Brains, and the early 1990s by Pantera, Machine Head and Sepultura, who brought it into commercial success. Issan Sumisu (talk) 16:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Pantera Subject

The bands you included before did not belong to the list. Be careful next time on editing. Sepultura, Biohazard and the other bands you listed didn't influence Pantera. Loyal to Metal (talk) 20:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Loyal to Metal: I included a citation to a book where Pantera's members are interviewed and say they are influenced by those bands. There are other citation I can point to too, you removed Prong from the list, in his autobiography Rex Brown also cites Prong as an influence on the sound of Cowboys from Hell. Are you saying their word is wrong when discussing their own influence? Issan Sumisu (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The source is not reliable. But if Rex cites Prong as one of his influences, it's ok, but I doubt about that. But the others are definitely wrong. Loyal to Metal (talk) 22:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Loyal to Metal: That book, Reinventing Metal The True Story of Pantera and the Tragically Short Life of Dimebag Darrell, is a totally reliable source, it's written by Neil Daniels, he's done similar books for most big metal bands. Dimebag had died by the time the book was written, but the remaining members are all interviewed throughout it, the quote is Leaving overzealous fan debates aside, Pantera spent much of 1990 touring in support of Cowboys from Hell. Their first major cross-country jaunt was with thrash bands Exodus and Suicidal Tendencies; after that, they toured with Mind over Four and Prong. Among the venues they played that year was the Ritz in New York City. Phil believed New York was the wildest place the band played—and also the toughest. It was also a great place for Pantera to check out artists and bands that inspired Pantera, among them Slayer; Biohazard; Sepultura; Prong; Sick of It All; Agnostic Front; and Anthrax. In Brown's autobiography, when discussing how Cowboys From Hell should sound, he says Prong had just put out a record called Beg to Differ, produced by Mark Dodson, and we all really loved the tone of it. What is your disagreement on this based on? Why do you think you can decide they weren't influenced by them? Issan Sumisu (talk) 22:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't access the link, so this was the only reason. Other refs have links which can be accessed. But whatever. I think that what you wrote before was ok. Loyal to Metal (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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