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Not moved, 29 March 2023, to India Men's National Cricket Team, see discussion.
Not moved, 4 December 2023, to India men's national cricket team, see discussion.

Requested move 4 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — mw (talk) (contribs) 11:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

India national cricket team → India men's national cricket team – Per WP:PRECISE, WP:RNEUTRAL, and WP:CONSISTENT.

Currently, there is one page called the India national cricket team and another called the India women's national cricket team. Either both teams have to be gendered or none. All the players on the men's team are men, like all players on the women's team are women. Therefore, the current article title lacks precision, neutrality, and consistency.

There is clear precedent for such article naming in the field hockey teams, one for the men's team and another for the women's team.

In light of the need for consistency with sporting team article titles (WP:CONSISTENT), precision (WP:PRECISE), and neutrality (WP:RNEUTRAL), I propose to move India national cricket team to India men's national cricket team. This move should probably be executed for all gendered sports teams, but the broader question might have to be addressed through CAT:WNCP and WP:NCST.

At this time, the page India men's national cricket team redirects to India national cricket team. Instead, India national cricket team should be a disambiguation page with the men's and women's teams listed in it. Such naming would also be consistent with the opening sentence of the men's page, which states:

The India men's national cricket team, also known as the Men in Blue or most commonly Team India, represent India in men's international cricket.

-Mad Maths (talk) 13:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 09:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Very clear primary topic and common name. See Category:National cricket teams. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the pointer to the category. As I state above, there is an issue with precision, consistency (with other national sports), and neutrality. It seems like a fraught assumption that a national team implies the men's national team, especially when there is already a women's national team. We could propose a multiple move that would update all the national cricket teams, or alternatively, have only one page for the national cricket team for every nation with the men's and women's team as sections. If there are countries without a women's national cricket team, the section could state that and no more. What do you think?

-Mad Maths (talk) 14:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In most sports the men's team is still the primary topic. The same debate has been had over football teams and the proposed move was rejected, and women's football is far more prominent than women's cricket. The fact remains that when most people refer to a national cricket (or football) team without a qualifier they're referring to the men's team. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp

>The fact remains that when most people refer to a national cricket (or football) team without a qualifier they're referring to the men's team.

There is no disputing this. However by no means should this influence the title. The title simply cannot and should not be based on what one's own assumption of the default team is. Your argument that the men's team is the default purely based on their general popularity is inadmissible. The title as @MadMaths pointed out should be neutral to such things. YeojaSeung (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you probably need to read WP:COMMONNAME if you think my argument is "inadmissible". -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*::Agree. Both the Women's and Men's team equally represent the nation and are equally worthy of the title "National Cricket team" or any other sport for that matter. The popularity of the team cannot be a factor in deciding this. That said, this move helps establish neutrality and consistency as pointed out by @MadMaths. RosterTree (talk) 05:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC) Struck duplicate vote.>>> Extorc.talk 09:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The title should not be influenced by the popularity of the team. The fact that the men's team is more talked about does not make it default. YeojaSeung (talk) 19:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC) — YeojaSeung (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Oppose WP:COMMONNAME. When the men play, they are commonly referred to as India, whereas when the women, India Women. This may well change in the future, but for now the pages should remain as they are titled. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Rugbyfan22. Hamza Ali Shah ^Talk 01:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The title should be neutral. This proposed change does not affect the clarity of the topic in any way. Instead it reinforces the neutrality. The argument that one commonly refers to the Men's team when they say the National team is not relevant in this respect. TreyMap (talk) 05:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC) — Striking sockpuppets. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Both the Women's and Men's team equally represent the nation and are equally worthy of the title "National Cricket team" or any other sport for that matter. The popularity of the team cannot be a factor in deciding this. That said, this move helps establish neutrality and consistency as pointed out by @MadMaths. RosterTree (talk) 06:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC) — Striking sockpuppets. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Loving the sockpuppeting above! -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Necrothesp. That's some impressive socking. Walrasiad (talk) 08:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Per reasons given by Rugbyfan22 – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 13:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It might be helpful to consider whether this page be moved to India men's national cricket team for consistency, with India national cricket team as a primary redirect to that title. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Icon

All other major national cricket teams have their icon as their cricket logo, with India being the only one with a flag. Proposing that we put the logo as well Pharaoh496 (talk) 15:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, the BCCI logo was removed after a WP:FFD (check the file discussion page for that logo). Other national teams shouldn't be using their cricket board's logos either, if they do, then that is what needs fixing. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Every single cricket team and non cricket national sports team has their logo. I spoke with some editors and have found that it is actually a flag violation to use this here. Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teams like Ireland and West Indies do not represent a single nation, their icons cannot be changed to a national flag. FatBatO3 (talk) 08:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about the other teams Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The title of the article should be changed to India Men's National Cricket Team

Is it possible to change the title of the page to India Men's National Cricket Team as it is for the Women's team? I had a chance to read the point made previously regarding the same concern. It doesn't matter which team is more popular. If we are talking about the nation, it is extremely important to count the efforts being put by the people from all the genders to be given equal importance in hoisting the flag of the nation in such widely popular sports. It becomes our responsibility as the people of newer generations to not let such things go by as they may not be relevant in the historic times but now, and in the coming future, they are going to mean a lot.

Hereby, I request Wikipedia to kindly change the name of the article (and not redirect the new page for India Men's National Cricket Team to the India National Cricket Team).

P.S. Just because we will have to take the responsibility of changing the titles of all such pages and hence, do "unnecessary work", doesn't mean we shouldn't take this up. Let's try and change one thing at a time.

Thanks

Aakriti Tanwar Aakrititanwar (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aakrititanwar Such requests have been previously discussed and rejected. Kindly read the discussions on this page above. >>> Extorc.talk 09:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the title of the article needs to be changed. FatBatO3 (talk) 08:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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