Talk:Indian Territory/Archive 1

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Archive 1

NPOV edit

I am removing the phrase "the policy of genocide and racial cleansing" from the first paragraph for two reasons. First, a territory is not a policy; that makes no logical sense. Second, the question of whether the policies that led to the more-or-less forced removal of Native Americans to the Indian territory amounted to genocide or racial cleansing ought to be discussed under Indian Removal, it seems to me, or in a separate section of this article. But it doesn't belong in the opening definition of the IT, which is a geographic area. --Textorus 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The map and the discussion of IT makes it appear that Indian terr was born fully assined as shown in the map. In fact the division of lands for the various tribes evolved over a period of years. Most all of IT was originally assigned to the "5 civilized tribes", and much of their territory was taken away as additional tribes were moved into IT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.79.146.92 (talk) 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

As is stated in the article: Indian territory was not actually a true territory but an evolving and shrinking space that was originally the Louisiana Purchase. Indian Territory was the remainder of the Louisiana Purchase as states were carved out of the land purchased from France. The last division was most of what eventually became the State of Oklahoma (Oklahoma Territory, an actual territory that became the western part of the State of Oklahoma, and "Indian Territory" that became the eastern part of the State of Oklahoma). The members of the "Five Civilized Tribes" (Indian Territory) petitioned Congress to be admitted as the State of Sequoyah, which was rejected by Congress. The tribal leaders regrouped and petitioned Congress to admit the Indian Territory and Oklahoma Territory as the State of Oklahoma. 12-18-2019 Gbbinning (talk) 16:59, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Removed citations needed banner

There have been many edits since the citation needed banner was applied in 2011. This banner is no longer applicable, so I have deleted it. Bruin2 (talk) 20:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Flag icons

I've removed the unneeded (and too small to see) flag icons from the infobox. If anyone feels they are needed - feel free to explain why here, and resolve the size problem. Vsmith (talk) 02:46, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Flags: Flag icons should only be inserted in infoboxes in those cases where they convey information in addition to the text. --Vsmith (talk) 02:51, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I need help

HI I need help with something on something about this article. Who was the president that was responsible for making the Indian Territory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.241.162 (talk) 12:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Indian Territory was created in 1834 under the adminsration of President Andrew Jackson.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 05:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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Merge with Indian Country

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a Merge Proposal and / or Redirect. Please do not modify it.

The result of the request for the Proposed Merger of the articles was: Consensus Reached—OPPOSE—Not Done.

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The term Indian Territory in Native American and United States history has several meanings.

1. As a generic term, Indian Territory or Indian Country are used to describe an evolving land area set aside by the U.S. Government for the relocation of Native American tribes from their ancestral homelands to land grants in the 'new' western lands of the Louisiana Purchase (1803), purchased from Napoleon. This article focus on this meaning.

2. As a specific term, Indian Territory was an Unorganized territory whose general borders were initially set by the Indian Intercourse Act of 1834. The borders of Indian Territory were reduced in size as the US Congress created Territories for later admission as States. It ceased upon Oklahoma statehood in 1907. Part of this article addresses this meaning.

Suggestion: The mixture of the two meanings make this article very confusing. The text about meaning 1, should be merged as suggested. The text about meaning 2 shall be in a specific article Indian Territory (as I believe once existed).

Creuzbourg (talk) 16:57, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

It would be not appropriate to combine the articles on Indian Territory and Indian Country since they discuss distinctly different concepts. Indian Territory is specific to areas of the Louisiana Purchase, land generally west of the Mississippi River purchased from France. As states were created out of Indian Territory, it shrunk and basically became the state of Oklahoma. Indian Country is more generic, covering all Indian lands of the US, those of Indian Territory, as well of those of the Pacific NW, the lands conquered from Mexico, and Indian lands of the original 13 colonies.

Gbbinning (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose These two terms are extremely different and mostly unrelated. Indian Territory is a specific location in present-day Oklahoma, Indian country is a group of hundreds of locations across the US. ––Redditaddict69 ^(talk) ^(contribs) 21:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Strong Oppose. Ditton the terms meaning totally different things. Indian Territory is a historic area; Indian Country refers to lands today under tribal jurisdiction. Ahalenia (talk) 03:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)Ahalenia
Oppose The disambiguation text at the top of the article explains that the scope of this article is the specific term, and provides a link to Indian country for the more general term. I think that the introduction is somewhat unclear, though, as it explains two things that this article is not about before introducing what it is about. Perhaps a solution would be to do something along the lines of putting the third paragraph first. DancesWithThermalPaste (talk) 04:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Oppose. OP doesn't understand difference of terms. When does the proposal get deleted? Tsah-doe (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)Tsah-Doe

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2020 Supreme Court decision

Shouldn't this article be updated to reflect the recent Supreme Court ruling that eastern Oklahoma is still Indian territory?204.112.198.217 (talk) 22:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)