Talk:In Bloom

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Unless this is a different version than the one on Nevermind, it wasn't recorded in Dec. of 1991. Flyerhell 05:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is the Nevermind one so someone must have got something wrong.

The only single from Nevermind that could have worked for In Utero. 98.246.84.7 (talk) 02:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

POV

Removed this POV content:

Truth to be told, many fans of Nirvana didn't know what the lyrics to their songs were about; however, this was not just because of apathy but also because many fans had trouble understanding Cobain's then-unusual vocals. Still, some fans were apathetic to the lyrical content of Nirvana's songs, and instead listened to their music for the instrumental content.

That part is not POV. Kurt had often complained that many fans didn't pay attention to the lyrics. Furthermore, it was a known fact that many people had trouble understanding Kurt's voice; in fact, Weird Al parodied that fact in "Smells Like Nirvana". All of this is common knowledge to Nirvana fans. -- LGagnon 21:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not contesting the given meaning of the song. I am contesting this idea that many "fans" of Nirvana were unaware of what words were in the song. This reads as an opinion that sounds like a fan trying to defend himself against Cobain's charge. CaveatLector 05:55, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a problem with the wording, then I suggest making a rewrite of it. But do not delete the actual info, because there is some truth to it, which is common knowledge. -- LGagnon 13:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am contesting the fact that it is common knowledge and that there is some verifiable truth to it. I do not have a problem with the wording, but the sentiment. I will revert to my edits once again, which believe do not cut out anything substantial or undisputed from the article. If you insist on keeping that paragraph in there, then I will mark the page as POV-disputed and hopefully open it up to a wider discussion. -- CaveatLector 23:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with that. In the meantime, I suggest learning about "Smells Like Nirvana", probably the most well known claim that people had trouble understanding Kurt's vocals.

And if you'd like to present a better version of the paragraph, that'll be fine. -- LGagnon 04:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with LGagnon on this issue. Daniel Olsen 00:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Im a huge Nirvana fan and I'll admit kurt at times is rather hard to understand however I am sure that the average Nirvana listener did not try to find deep meaning behind the lyrics. As a songwriter myself I try to understand the meaning and sometimes the lyrics don't make sense to me. However, they all bring across some sort of feeling. I still do agree with the claim though that the (average)nirvana fan did not understand the deeper meaning behidn the lyrics

I think alot of people don't get what Cobain's lyrics are about, and some also have trouble understanding them. I also think that the song is making fun of people who like the way the songs sound and enjoy them without understanding the darker meaning behind some of the lyrics. I think most people get the meaning of this song in particular if they listen to it at all, because this song is pretty strait forward, but most other songs remain a mystery to most people. Of course, if you aren't the type to pay attension to the lyrics to figure them out, you also may not be the type to listen to or absord the lyrics at all.

This may or may not be related to the above discussion, but the article seems to imply that the "In Bloom" lyrics are a criticism of some Nirvana fans which seems very unlikely given the time at which the lyrics where written (quote from the main Nirvana article : "In bloom (...) had been in the band's repertoire for years"): how many fans did Nirvana have before Nevermind was released ? I also fail to see how the fact that they later gained some fans that were also into "arena rock" is relevant, since, again, at the time the song was written I don't think any "arena rock kind of person" might have ever heard of the band. The explanation that sees In bloom as a take on some rock fans in general seems much more plausible to me. I do agree that it is very ironic that they later went on having fans that are exactly like those Cobain made fun of in the In Bloom lyrics :) Mwarf 20:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit simplistic to limit the discussion to fan's apathy toward the band's lyrics. Nirvana and most of their punk and alternative contemporaries were reacting to the overblown, stylized, more-is-more commercial schlock rock of the 70's and 80's. It was more than just the lyrics that were different and meaningful, and definitely more than the clothes and (anti)fashion. It was a lifestyle and an ethic and a philosophy, a completely different way of viewing art, music and life. The lyrics wasn't the only thing people didn't get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.41.65.190 (talk) 19:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not native english-speaking. and I do have problems understanding the words and especially the meaning of the lyrics. It is obvious that kurt cobain often changed words in several concerts. For me is in Bloom even more about living in a Bloom and just beside about 'the lucky poor guy'. this theme I see even more in smells like teen spirit... whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.136.82.70 (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

. . . And now this entire debate is solved by citing a source that explains the origins of the song's lyrics. Citing sources is fun! WesleyDodds (talk) 05:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--me-- It's a bit of a waste of time trying to decipher the meanings of most of these songs. Cobain himself admitted that most of them were not about anything and were not based on a particular theme. He wrote the lyrics by putting together jumbled pieces of poetry he had. This is clear when you look at the lyrics to most of the songs because they are CLEARLY not related to each other. I think only a couple of songs on Nevermind had a theme all the way through, with relevant lyrics, like Polly and Something in the Way. Bleach and In Utero are a better place to try to pick out meanings because he wrote "concept songs" on those albums, and again, there is a quote of him talking about this. The start of this article says that In Bloom deals with fans not "getting" their music and lyrics. In reality though, it's only the chorus which covers this. The rest of the song is about reproduction, and in fact, on one of the very first live performances of this song (pre-Grohl), Cobain introduced the song and said, "Oh this is a new song. It's about reproduction". I personally would suggest to anyone interested in Nirvana, to not try to look at other people's interpretations of these songs. Some of the songs had no clear meanings at all, some had very numerous, jumbled up concepts so seeing a one sentence description of the song's meaning on Wikipedia is not going to be very accurate. Others are best for you to decipher the meaning for yourself. Look at the lyrics and listen to the way he sings them, read more about Cobain's character, and then you might find that some of the songs were very sarcastic and you might come up with a very different interpretation of the same song than someone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.93.44 (talk) 00:55, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

Have to apologise for putting incorrect lyrics in the article. I've been listening to this song for years and honestly thought he was singing "don't know what it means", but now I listen to it more closely it is definitely "knows not...." Obvious really, since these words are on the inner sleeve of the album. MFlet1 (talk) 22:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:In Bloom/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

The lead isn't the greatest... needs paragraph split, reorgnisation of information, etc. Like this one.

There's not as much information on his song as there is on "Smells Like Teen Spirit". One paragraph seems sufficient. I feel the lead hits all the basic points; aside from some tweaking I can't figure out to improve the lead. WesleyDodds (talk)`

That looks better, yeah. giggy _(:O) 08:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The songs from these sessions were placed on a demo tape that circulated amongst the music industry, generating interest in the group among major record labels." - couldn't hurt to ref this

I thought I had, but apparently that wasn't the case. Fixed

"Vig thought it would be good to start recording a song previously recorded at Smart Studios.."" - where does this quote open? (if there is one)

Fixed

No reviewer comments in the Release and reception section?

Can't really find any. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an AMG review of the song. giggy _(:O) 08:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about using that. it covers points largely already covere dby other sources in the article. In terms of reception, the sentence ""In Bloom"'s music owed more to standard-issue heavy rock than anything else on the album Nevermind; with its mid-tempo power chords and staggered tom-tom fills, it would have sounded perfectly natural blasting out of the tape deck in a rusted-out Camaro if not for Cobain's noisy, fractured guitar solo." is about the only one that seems worth quoting as critical commentary, but even then it's not a contemporary description and I'm not sure how well it'd fit in. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shrugs. It's not the biggest deal... if you ever feel like adding it in, go ahead, but don't lose sleep over it. giggy _(:O) 09:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And leave me a note when done please... cheers, giggy _(:O) 04:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Cheers, giggy _(:O) 09:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

from listening to it for about 20 minutes straight, im pretty sure he alternates, never mind what it says on the sleeve. first he says 'knows not what it means' then he says 'dont know what it means' Kas0809 (talk) 22:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Countries the In Bloom single was released in

So Garr states that the In Bloom single was only released in the United Kingdom. This is clearly incrorrect. If you check the website www.sliver.it [1] Go to the section "Official Releases and Related Promos" then go to the singles section and click on In Bloom you will find a list of countries where the single was manufactured let alone released - for example those manufactured in the Netherlands would have been released in shops in Sweden. Anyway take a look at the website. mjgm84 (talk) 07:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He knows not what it means

It means : blind doom. Afterwards, you will be hungry. And when it starts at an early age, you will suddenly become sleepy, as if you always have a 'fog in your head'. If you had a tonsil operation or something at that age and also have a little scar at the head, you then can believe that your "brain cut was OK". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.143.91.6 (talk) 02:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning of the song

I don't see how it can be claimed that Anthony said the song was about Dylan Carlson when it was NOT him who said that in the AMA on Reddit. It's a different user who claimed that. I'd remove that claim myself, because it's just some random person's opinion, but I just figured it would get undone. Clamum (talk) 01:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]