Talk:Im Won-sik

DYK for Im Won-Sik

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

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Im Won-sik in 1948.

• ... that Korean conductor Im Won-sik hid his friend and mentor Asahina Takashi from Soviet authorities, then later secured his return to Japan? Source: "日本の敗戦後、ソ連軍が進駐する中、林は朝比奈と家族を1週間ほど自宅にかくまった後、「ある中国人の家を借りて、先生をそこに引っ越させた」。林の機転がなければ、朝比奈は日本に戻れず、70歳を過ぎて佳境を迎えた指揮者人生はなかったはずだ。" ([1])
  • ALT1:... that the conductor Im Won-sik is considered the "father of Korea's classical music world"? Source: "ベートーベン「第九」の韓国初演を手がけるなど「韓国クラシック界の父」と呼ばれた。" ([2])
  • ALT2:... that Im Won-sik was called "Korea's Toscanini"? Source: "KOREA'S 'TOSCANINI': Conductor Lim Won Sik is shown listening as Ely Haimowitz, Miami Beach pianist, runs through a new work." ([3])

Created/expanded by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC).

I'm willing to review this, just not immediately. Please fix that the subject is a redirect, and perhaps give him an infobox (or it looks like about an orchestra)? Is there anything in English? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

He is mentioned here. There's also a film director of the same name. This looks thorough and should be used. Ping me when done please, CurryTime7-24. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

This seems also related. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean the “subject is a redirect?” I just typed his name in the search bar and it took me straight to Im’s article. I’m not sure how the last article you recommended is related. It mentions him in passing only once; the article itself is unrelated to him and is about events which occurred a decade after his death. As for the infobox, I’ll ask the people at WikiProject Classical what the deal is with those things. I’m not against infoboxes, but my understanding is that their use is being deprecated for musical figures and subjects. If I’m wrong, please let me know. At any rate, I’m neither sure how a reader would think the article is about any thing else but a person, nor how an infobox would somehow change that unlikely perception if the problem is the image. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 14:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI: no mention of a film director here. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the replies. I said ping me when you incorporated the digital archive ref, - did you? This article would look better if not all sources were in languages the average doesn't even know which script it is. - We agree about the thing mentioning him in passing, - it was just the first I found. You don't need to ask project classical music about infobox. Some members like them, others hate them. You decide. Project composers has a guideline about no infobox for composers. It's a guideline, no more, it dates from 2010, telling me how relevant that is. Bach and Beethoven have one. This one is a conductor, like Nikolaus Harnoncourt. You decide. The image shows an orchestra, that would me think it's about an orchestra ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Forgot one: the article name is Im Won-sik, the call in the hook is for Im Won-Sik which redirects. That is not permitted for DYK, and other Main page links. Either you write a piped link, or you match the call to the article name, or you move the article to match the call. You decide. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I had already changed everything to "Im Won-sik" before I read this. If nominator wishes to change it, feel free to do so. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Mandarax, no worries. It's all fine. I'm a little confused, though. Could you explain what was changed exactly? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:44, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

All I did was change "Im Won-Sik" to "Im Won-sik" in the hooks and caption, as well as other places needed for the template to be correct. Now that you've moved this nomination (which was not necessary), I've made further fixes to the template, as well as fixing its transclusion on WP:DYKN. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:48, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I changed the DYK title. I had forgotten that Korean personal names are transliterated "Capital-lowercase"; I had accidentally gone with "Capital-Capital." At least one of the English sources look like it could help here. But I disagree that an article "looks better" with English language sources. If they exist and can be of use, then sure. If not, then it can't be helped. A lot of knowledge from around the world has yet to be documented in English. I also don't see anything wrong with the picture. It's the only photo of Im that I can find which is in the public domain. Of course, I'd have loved it if Im had gifted posterity a high-res selfie that was safely within the public domain, but he seems not to have given any consideration to future Wikipedians. :/ I'm not sure how the photo is confusing (there is a caption below it, after all). Take a look at Zdeněk Mácal—there isn't even a face of anyone there. I suppose it's possible that at first glance a reader could think the article is about the Wiener Flötenuhr. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:44, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for causing confusion. I should probably have said not to move the template, and noticed that the name was changed. And made the smiley bigger that the comment about "orchestra" was with a grain of salt. I am with you that of course an article is valid with foreign source alone, and write many of those myself, and approved with all-Swedish and all all-French. Just for verifiability, something that every reader could read is better when there. Here, we have something. How about this: I use it, add an infobox, and ask for a different reviewer? The Macal thing looks awfully misleading, imho, - I'd place the image somewhere below in the text where it fits, not throw some German at a reader before the man with no obvious connection to that image is born, - smiling again. - No time, though, or I'd actually do it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

... shouldn't edit before coffee: the image is licensed and shows him well, but probably will not "win" in the competition for picture slot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, sorry for my late-ish reply. I added the infobox and some sources in English. (I also gave Zdeněk a nicer photo!) Let me know if there's anything else you'd see that needs fixing! :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! - I need sleep, will check then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Almost there, thank you! The fact of his 15 years with the orchestra needs a citation. I struck the original hook as too complex, and ALT2 because you and I know Toscanini but we will have many readers who won't. I wonder if we should add "conductor" to ALT1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

No problem, Gerda Arendt! I included a ref. for Im's tenure at KBS and added "conductor" to ALT2. Let me know what you think! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:53, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

thank you. The new image is licensed thank you for that as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC)