Talk:I Troop Carrier Command

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Article has been completely re-written Bwmoll3 (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Assessment

Inserting or removing the word "start" is not going to improve the rating as long as most B Class items are marked yes/no -- it's either Start or unrated. So I'll rate it (it will end up Start no matter what I put in "class="). Giving specific ratings will require more specific reasons to alter the rating.

I'm switching the only "yes" to a "no" because the description of the 10th group is telegraphic (lacks subjects for the sentences and articles), but the rest is "yes". If B4 were cleaned up I'd suggest that the editor who has done most of the work here put it up for B Class assessment at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests. Notice that the slightly different standards of the Aviation Project give it a C rating despite the identical ratings in the individual factors. --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Decided to streamline the 10th TCG to just a simple statement and let the history and details of the unit to its own article. Also went though the entire article and tweaked a few things for clarity and expanded the postwar history of the Troop Carrier mission to relate how it exists today Bwmoll3 (talk) 09:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Air Transport Command

The usage of Air Transport Command (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:Air Transport Command (World War II) -- 70.24.250.235 (talk) 06:40, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Subsequent history

This portion of the article goes astray from the subject of the article. I would suggest shortening it to a paragraph on single management of troop carrier forces and advanced training in the US. I'd also add in the "See also" section links to organizations like Eighteenth Air Force. The concept of a division between theater and global airlift is no longer current, much less the idea of "troop carrier" as a separate force. --Lineagegeek (talk) 03:07, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

It is also inaccurate. AMC trains C-130 forces. --Lineagegeek (talk) 19:53, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Training Stations section

Suggest this be removed.

It is incomplete

The material given for each station is not consistent

Now that base units have been listed in Components, with their stations, it is duplicative. --Lineagegeek (talk) 20:41, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

How do you think Mr Moll misattributed all the Base Units incorrectly? Which command did those incorrect Base Units actually belong to? Buckshot06 (talk) 06:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

He has the 27th AAF BU at Bowman. The 27th was the AAF School of Aviation Medicine and was at Randolph. It has a tenuous connection with Bowman through the Aeromedical Evacuation School, which was at Bowman, but eventually, after moving to Randolph, became a part of the School of Aviation Medicine. The units listed for Baer Field, Bergstrom Field, Grenada AAF, Laurinburg-Maxton AAB, Lawson Field and Pole Field are not the numbers of AAF Base Units, but are the numbers of Base Headquarters & Air Base Squadrons, disbanded in 1944.

Don't be too quick to take out Grenada AAF - I cannot find a counterpart AAFBU listed, here or elsewhere. Buckshot06 (talk) 17:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• The Allocation of Base Unit Numbers (after about 1945/1946, there was crossover)

0-99 Units reporting directly to AAF

100-199 First AF

200-299 Second AF

300-399 Third AF (After 1946 many TAC Units)

400-499 Fourth AF

500-599 Air Transport Command domestic units

600-699 AAF Proving Ground

700-799 Air Material Command (after July 1945 Army Airways Communications System groups and squadrons -- but the system and wing headquarters remained in the 75-93 range)

800-899 I Troop Carrier Command

900-999 AAF School of Applied Tactics

1000-1099 AAF Personnel Redistribution Command

1100-1599 Air Transport Command overseas (only ATC and AACS used the Base Unit System outside the continental US until 1947, when USAFE adopted a modified version)

2000-3099 AAF Flying Training Command (later AAF Training Command, Air Training Command)

3500-3799 AAF Technical Training Command (later AAF Training Command, Air Training Command)

4000-4999 Air Service Command (later ATSC, Air Materiel Command)

7900-7999 United States Air Forces in Europe after about December 1947 for support units --Lineagegeek (talk) 17:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• I overthought Bowman. That's a BH&ABS as well. I'm not sure if he was even aware of the medical evacuation training there. --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• • Buckshot06 Grenada AAF closed in March 1944, when the 10th Troop Carrier Group left (reopened in 1945 as a storage station under ATSC), so there's no I TCC base unit there, just the later ATSC base unit. I think the best way to list stations would be to insert [[Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces I Troop Carrier Command]] in the See also section, but I can't figure out how to do this. I have done some heavy editing on this category and it is now fairly accurate, certainly listing main bases, with one exception: Marfa Army Air Field. Marfa Airport (original) says the city of Marfa decided to use the AAF as its new airport after the war, while Marfa Municipal Airport says Marfa AAF was abandoned in 1960, so there are two articles on Marfa Airport, but neither works as a redirect for the AAF.

Found out how to do it. Lineagegeek (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)