Talk:IM 1

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@Godstar23 and InfiniteNexus: Just saw this pop up, and I wanted to point out that there is a redirect for IM1 (meteor) that redirects to Interstellar object. I presume this redirect is the intended one for this, whereas the initialism for the Marvel movie would be this title, per MOS:ABBR. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:12, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

per mos:abbr "Use sourceable abbreviations" please provide a reputable source for IM1 referring to iron man (2008). i searched im1 on the internet and only found the interstellar object

Godstar23 (talk) 02:23, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I will also note that the term "IM1" may also refer to other subjects after a quick search: These include Nova-C#IM-1 mission (with the supporting redirect IM-1), IM1 at British Rowing#Points system, iM1A2 Abrams, the IM1 postcode district at IM postcode area, and the Scottish IM1 Championship at Mark Boyle (snooker player). Could it be possible a DAB page is in order? As for the Marvel movie, this Screen Rant article calls it "IM1" twice, this piece calls it "IM1" referring to a scene from the movie, this one refers to toyline names for the movie, and this article uses a comment calling the movie "IM1". Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

im-1 is distinct from im1.

im1 in british rowing is clearly not used as a standalone term.

the im1a2 abrams article does not even contain an instance of "IM1", only instances of "iM1A2".

please try to engage in a good-faith discussion.

a student essay and a reddit comment do not seem to be particularly notable sources for including im1 as a redirect in an encyclopedia.

mmfcl,

Godstar23 (talk) 23:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

What I brought forth was entirely in good faith in an attempt to display the variety of options, and clearly showcases that IM1 or variations of it refer to different subjects. The Screen Rant article and ComicBook article are from reputable sources that cover the Marvel film contents, per WP:MCURS. The fact that IM1 (meteor) and Interstellar meteor 1 already exist does not qualify this un-disambiguated redirect ought to only refer to one subject or the other, thus necessitating a DAB page, and there is precedent to do this at the DAB pages IM (which does include Iron Man), and IM3, which includes Iron Man 3. Even if not all of the search results are to be used on the DAB page, the two ones of discussion (the Marvel movie initialism and the alt name for the meteor object) are of relevance for a DAB page given it refers to multiple subjects. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

>What I brought forth was entirely in good faith in an attempt to display the variety of options, and clearly showcases that IM1 or variations of it refer to different subjects.

no, the given examples were all completely spurious.

>The Screen Rant article and ComicBook article are from reputable sources that cover the Marvel film contents, per WP:MCURS.

neither screenrant.com nor comicbook.com seem to actually be listed on this guide. please point me to where they are listed if i am mistaken

>Even if not all of the search results are to be used on the DAB page, the two ones of discussion (the Marvel movie initialism and the alt name for the meteor object) are of relevance for a DAB page given it refers to multiple subjects.

there is only one thing widely referred to as IM1 outside of reddit comments and student essays. a dab is not required.

with love and squalor,

Godstar23 (talk) 03:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not believe critiquing each line of my comments without offering up a compromise is beneficial in a discussion. I stand by what I brought up and believe if an impasse arises, taking this to WP:RfD is best in garnering a consensus on the fate of this redirect, to gauge other opinions and perspectives. There is precedent for such a DAB page to exist for this. To further validate different subjects being referred to by this name, this article from Gizmodo refers to the Marvel films as "IM1", IM2", and "IM3", as does this article from Deadline Hollywood, one of the most reputable sources covering Hollywood; Deadline also used the similar "IM2" here. As for these sources and the Screen Rant and ComicBook ones, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources#List of potential resources and Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Comic book films task force#Resources. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

>I do not believe critiquing each line of my comments without offering up a compromise is beneficial in a discussion.

and i do not believe that throwing out irrelevant links to distract and confuse is beneficial in a discussion. alas, we do not see eye to eye.

>I stand by what I brought up

brother trailblazer, do you truly believe that a disambiguation page should be created here that links to iM1A2 Abrams? admit to yourself that this is a falsehood, even if you can not confess that in public.

even if im1 is used as a shorthand for iron man (2008) (not, i note, titled "iron man 1") in the context of an article discussing iron man movies, that does not make a dab page necessary here. it is not a widely used term outside of these niche discussions, and no one will be trying to access iron man (2008) with im1. the dab page would only add clutter to the encyclopedia.

mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Godstar23 (talk) 03:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

These links I have provided are not "irrelevant" as they are subject matter sources covering the Marvel movie topic and support this initialism refers to another subject than only the meteor object. That cannot be disputed. My intentions are not to "distract and confuse" but to educate and put everything on the table to provide a clear transparent navigation on Wikipedia, and assuming my intentions are ill is not WP:Assuming good faith.

The DAB page I am suggesting (which I am not saying has to be made), could link to multiple entries as I pointed out above, not just the singular entry you have pointed out. DAB pages do link to entries that have longer titles which start with the term at hand. Moreover, the fact that multiple different sites refer to "IM1" as either the Marvel movie or the meteor object justifies that the redirect IM1, without disambiguation, is dubious and unclear as to what it should refer to, especially when the redirect IM1 (meteor) exits. We could easily create IM1 (film) as there is no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.

It is not advised for DAB pages to be made when two subjects share a name, so if a DAB page is not made, adequate disambiguation ought to be given as there is no clear primary topic. I know Partial titles are not for DAB pages, and I was not saying the iM1A2 Abrams article should be linked in a DAB, just that it was in the search results of "IM1". Upon further inspection, there is also the University of Medicine 1, Yangon, which was formerly the Institute of Medicine 1 or IM1, and would qualify for a DAB with three different articles referred to as "IM1". Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)